Elastic’s quarterly report and conf call

Elastic’s quarterly report and conference call

This was their first release since their IPO. I started a position in November. This is a very recent IPO, it’s a very small company with revenue about $200 million, it isn’t yet cutting down its losses, its reinvesting everything into growing, and it’s selling at a very high market cap to sales ratio, but it’s growing revenue at huge rates, so what would you expect?

There have been a lot of deep dives and discussion on the board, but in case you haven’t read them I’ll tell you what they do, borrowing from Matt’s (TMF BreakerForce’s), discussion.

Here’s a description borrowed from Matt’s (TMFBreakerForce’s) post:

They are a SaaS company and they do “Search” but it’s nothing like a Google Search, it’s a different animal altogether. When you hail a ride home from work with Uber, Elastic helps power the systems that coordinates nearby riders and drivers. When you shop online at Walgreens, Elastic helps power finding the right products to add to your cart. When you look for a partner on Tinder, Elastic helps power the algorithms that guide you to a match. When you search across Adobe’s millions of assets, Elastic helps power finding the right photo, font, or color palette to complete your project. As Sprint operates its nationwide network of mobile subscribers, Elastic helps power the logging of billions of events per day to track and manage website performance issues and network outages. As SoftBank monitors the usage of thousands of servers across its entire IT environment, Elastic helps power the processing of terabytes of daily data in real time….

You get the idea. It’s a different kind of search, a lot of which I don’t understand at all. I think of it as a Category Crusher, but I rate it as only 4 stars because it’s new to me. Here’s what their earnings (which came out last week) looked like:

Total revenue was $63.6 million, up 72%. This is actually slower than they are used to growing, but as a small company, their rate bounces around a bit. Last year they grew 74% in the same quarter, but they’ve been as high as 82% in the past year.
International revenue was only 14% of revenue, and represents a big opportunity for us.
Subscription revenue was 92% of total revenue ($58.5 mill). …………SaaS Revenue was $10 million of this, and was up 79%

(Note that most of their subscription revenue is recurring but not SaaS. It’s leased to an enterprise that customises it for its own needs, but keeps it on premises. The SaaS part, managed in the cloud by Elastic, is only about 17% of all subscription revenue, so they are different than most of our SaaS companies, except perhaps Nutanix and Mongo. Note also that Elastic is growing like mad!)

Calculated billings was $88.5 million, up 73%. TTM calculated billings were up 77% (less lumpy)
Deferred revenue was $127 million, up 78%
Adj op loss was $14.8 million;
Adj op margin was -23.3%.
Adj net loss was $16.9 million or 26.6% of revenue
Adj net loss was 38 cents per share
Op cash flow of -$0.6 million
Free cash flow of -$1.4 million.
Cash was $319 million
Subscription customer count was over 6,300. This was up 800 or 15% sequentially from 5500!!!
Customer count with ACV over $100,000 was over 340.
Net Expansion Rate over 130% for the eighth consecutive quarter.
Total diluted shares – 87.5 million

• Released versions 6.4 and 6.5 of the Elastic Stack with many new features
• Released new SaaS features on Elasticsearch Service, the hosted and managed Elasticsearch offering on Elastic Cloud
• Released version 2.0 of Elastic Cloud Enterprise (ECE) bringing all the new SaaS features to hybrid and on-premise environments.
• Held 11 successful Elastic{ON} Tour events with waitlists driven by strong demand.

Conference Call
When you catch a ride on Uber, we are the engine that matches the driver with you; when you look for groceries on Instacart, Elastic provides you with relevant results and recommendations; when you swipe left or right on Tinder, Elastic powers finding a match you might like and who might like you back.

Now, all of these experiences I just described need to be monitored, checked and observed. Elastic powers that to you. So, customers like Tinder and Barclays take their infrastructure logs or remote server metrics and put them into Elastic to understand what’s working and what’s not, both on the technology side and on the business side. (Sounds like it partly competes with New Relic).

And it doesn’t take much to go from analyzing machine data to analyzing security events. So, a customer like Indiana U. can build their cybersecurity operations on top of Elastic in order to protect thousands of devices and critical data. Everything I just talked about is search.

So, what is about our search technology that makes us different? Three things: speed; scale; relevance. These three elements, speed; scale; relevance, they are the core of the Elastic Stack.

Now, at the heart of the stack is the Elasticsearch. It’s what stores, searchers and analyzes data, structured or unstructured, and it’s what everything gets built around. Beats and Logstash are ways to ingest data into Elasticsearch from many sources, and Kibana is how you visualize data in Elasticsearch. We also build solutions that are vertically integrated into our stack. They include app search, site search and enterprise search; logging, metrics and APM; business analytics and security analytics.

You can think of solutions as ways we’ve made it easier for users to get started with our software to address a particular use case. For example, today with our logging solution, you can start analyzing log files or add search to your website with our faster service in a matter of minutes.

We also provide a hosted service, Elastic Cloud, which is our family of SaaS offerings and it includes our Elasticsearch Service, Elastic Site Search Service and Elastic App Search Service. We’ve also found that as customers grow their self-managed Elastic deployments and scale to many and many clusters, they want to enjoy a SaaS like experience to centrally provision, manage and monitor our products. Elastic Cloud Enterprise or ECE lets some do that. It’s a paid proprietary product that customers download and run in the environment of their choice.

As we consider our market opportunity, we believe that it expands for current use cases and also as our technology deployed towards new use cases. For example, when we founded Elastic, many of our users took our products and applied them to solve use cases like apps search and enterprise search. This space had a total addressable market of $3 billion back in 2012. As our users deployed our products to power new used cases and we expanded our offerings, our TAM has grown to $45 billion in 2018.

I attended the Washington D.C. tour event. And at this D.C., event I noticed there was a lot of discussion around new security features we released in this quarter. This included support for running Elastic and FIPS 140-2 mode, which is critical to defense space, and Kerberos authentication, which has broader applicability to not only government audiences but also to larger enterprises across the world.

Take Liberty Global, one of the largest telecom companies in the world, they became our customer, thanks to our advanced security features that I just mentioned, as well as our world-class support and additional commercial features. They are using us to analyze their log data, monitor systems, and investigate intrusion events. They expanded their usage with us in the quarter.

Another highly requested feature we released is Kibana spaces. When users adopt Elastic and probably ingesting data, one of the first things they do is create a handful of visualization and dashboards. And that handful often grows to be hundreds or even thousands very quickly. So users needed a better way to organize their visualizations into defined workspaces. One for the marketing team, another for DevOps, another for finances and so on. Kibana spaces makes this possible by allowing users to segment and secure Kibana for different audiences and used cases…another Kibana benefit we call Canvas. We are inspired by the fact that our users are proud to display their data. And we took this to heart and spent the last year working on Canvas to give users a personal way to display living dashboards that are not just pleasant to use but also pleasant to look at.

To give an example, Brazil’s Ministry of Health renewed their business with us in Q2 through one of our partners. They have Kibana dashboards onpermanent display in the Health Minister office. They show real-time health spending and service quality information that is aggregated from 400 data basis in systems. This is awesome.

Approximately 90% of our revenue typically comes from subscriptions, which represents recurring revenue.

Our subs for self-managed deployments generally range from one to three years for which we typically invoice customers annually in advance.
Our SaaS customers purchase subscriptions either on a month to month basis or on a committed contract of at least one year in duration.

The remainder of our revenue comes from professional services, which consists of consulting and training. The primary objective of this is to make our customer successful, which in turn drives higher subscription revenue as these customers expand their usage of the Elastic Stack and our solutions.

Q on Free Cash Flow generation
A - We think that the appropriate thing for us to do currently is to grow the business. And so, back in fiscal ‘18, our free cash flow margin was minus 15%. Here in the first half of fiscal 2019 we’ve been skating close to breakeven here in the first half, but that’s really the effects of seasonality. The back half tends to be seasonally weaker and that’s mainly because of strong collections that we typically have in Q1. So we look at it really on an annual basis ourselves. And we expect that from a full-year perspective, the free cash flow margin will be negative. We don’t formally guide to it as I mentioned in my prepared remarks. But, we do expect to see some improvement in free cash flow margin on an annual basis. But, it won’t be straight up. Right now, we’re still focused on investing to drive growth.

My take (Saul): It looks great to me. As I said above, I don’t understand the technology of what they do, but I see they are signing up huge clients in spite of being still a tiny company, and their growth rate is enormous.

Saul

PS - OT - If you made it all the way to the end of this write-up, here’s an OT bonus: Today is another day when the market is off fairly big time (1% or more) and our stocks like OKTA and Elastic are up, and my portfolio is up. We may be on to something here!

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Hi Saul,
I did make to the end of the post and saw your OT. I have an OT question- Hope you won’t mind.
I too noticed how your stocks go up when the market goes down. i have not invested in these stocks- because i can’t understand what they do and many are still not profitable ( I learned early- not sure where- not to invest in companies that are not profitable)

At risk of being told that you don’t have a crystal ball I will ask my question- what do you think will happen to these companies should there be a recession? If the businesses that subscribe to these products may not have the growth in their business to continue to pay for subscription.

Thanks as always for all you do
usha

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I need to look more into Elastic. My current view of them is skewed by one data point, a team in Cambridge who used Elastic for some of their analysis needs but now uses a Tableau dashboard that I created for them. One biased data point should not be clouding my judgement on them…

Regarding OKTA, this is a stock I should have stuck with. Original purchases in May, August, and twice in September, then sold not long ago after my lots had refused to go net-positive. Well, if I had kept I’d be slightly positive on a weighted basis today. And it looks like they are just going to keep going up. The positive in this, I can re-buy at my weighted average, so luckily no real loss. But lesson learned, some of these growth plays you need to give time. If people don’t agree, please let me know where I’m wrong. Nothing is worse than the wrong lesson learned. This lesson is keeping me in SQ, even at a 15% loss right now. That should pay off for me.

And yes you guys might be on to something here. 40% of my top-ten holdings are high growth. This is somewhat amazing because of how recently I started this phase. More surprising to me is 30% of the top-ten are REITs, which goes to show you how poor the market has been as of late.

Guys, I’m really close to ditching NVDA (at a 23% average loss) and AAPL (luckily still positive) and going more SaaS. I’ve come a long way in my thinking since early August. :slight_smile:

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what do you think will happen to these companies should there be a recession? If the businesses that subscribe to these products may not have the growth in their business to continue to pay for subscription.

If the software subscription is one critical to the functioning of the company they have no choice – if they stop paying the SW stops working. Can they keep the doors open if they lose the ability to run certain SW? For some packages they are that critical to the running of the business.

This would not happen in the old model where you bought the software and could use it forever. In that model companies could delay an upgrade if finances were tight or new features not compelling. This is precisely why Adobe wants to “rent” you Photoshop rather than let you purchase it.

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I too noticed how your stocks go up when the market goes down. i have not invested in these stocks- because i can’t understand what they do and many are still not profitable… At risk of being told that you don’t have a crystal ball I will ask my question- what do you think will happen to these companies should there be a recession? If the businesses that subscribe to these products may not have the growth in their business to continue to pay for subscription.

Hi usher, the subscriptions are a trivial part of the cost of running the business for their customers, and the function they provide is essential. Not to count the total disruption to the business which pulling them out would entail. See, you got my crystal ball as a bonus.

Saul

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Of course, this market will find fault in these numbers, so we have a good chance of acquiring further discounted shares in the morning.

🆁🅶🅱

In case anyone looked in vain for Matt’s (TMFBreakerForce’s) post, it was a detailed write up including ESTC financials by hlygrail. If you are interested in this company it is definitely worth reading, see https://discussion.fool.com/elastic-estc-ipo-research-and-discus….

And Saul, thank you for your write-up and all the time and work you put into maintaining this board. Even the people on the Dividend Growth Investing Board are among your admirers:

As for the Feste Award, I nominate Saul. He is a shining example of what TMF is, was and hopefully will continue to be. Even though TMF discontinued the Feste Award, I wish that we could paste a gold-and-green award plaque next to his name. :slight_smile:

I concur.

IM

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Sorry, forgot the link to the Dividend Board: https://discussion.fool.com/lti-wish-they-would-revisit-what-the…

im

Usha, it is worth making the point that the terms ‘the company’ and ‘the stock’ are different and it is dangerous to conflate them in a sentence. A company may forge ahead, successfully achieving its business aims. Meanwhile the company’s stock is a matter of valuation.

By investing in highly successful companies with astronomical valuation ratios, we elect to take on considerable risk - both of the company’s results being entirely successful but naturally falling off or perhaps the advent of that competition which naturally follows success. That is because even a mere drop in value from the term ‘astronomical’ (e.g. P/S 20) to the term ‘extraordinarily high’ (e.g. P/S 10) would be, ah, noticeable to the investor while the directors of the company might continue to be delighted by their company’s progress.

Similarly, per elsewhere, you do not necessarily ‘raise the quality’ of an overall portfolio if you also raise the overall valuation risk.

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ESTC P/S north of 26 and founder a billionaire in weeks! 'C’mon someone, make it a nice round 30! Do I hear 30 at the back? Thank you Sir, 30 it is! Do I hear… '.

…By investing in highly successful companies with astronomical valuation ratios, we elect to take on considerable risk - both of the company’s results being entirely successful but naturally falling off or perhaps the advent of that competition which naturally follows success. That is because even a mere drop in value from the term ‘astronomical’ (e.g. P/S 20) to the term ‘extraordinarily high’ (e.g. P/S 10) would be, ah, noticeable to the investor while the directors of the company might continue to be delighted by their company’s progress… ESTC P/S north of 26 and founder a billionaire in weeks! 'C’mon someone, make it a nice round 30! Do I hear 30 at the back? Thank you Sir, 30 it is! Do I hear… ’

Hi streina, it’s good to have some perennial reality-based Cassandra’s on the board to keep us from getting too carried away with our success, but it must be very frustrating and confounding for you, after all your warnings, to see our portfolios continue with huge gains (mine was up 79% year to date, as of yesterday’s close) in spite of the nice conservative averages being in the red and really struggling. I keep reading about the tech boom being over, and gloom and doom, but all I see is that the boom in Apple and Facebook may be over but they are not our stocks, and our stocks continue near their all-time highs in a really weak market. Just maybe we are on to something with recurring revenue and subscriptions, and companies growing at huge rates. (You forgot to mention in your put-down of Elastic that their TTM revenues were up 78% over the year before. Up 78%!)

Best

Saul

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Just maybe we are on to something with recurring revenue and subscriptions, and companies growing at huge rates. (You forgot to mention in your put-down of Elastic that their TTM revenues were up 78% over the year before. Up 78%!)

Saul:

Your gains this year were NOT built on stocks with P/S of 26. They were instead built on expansion of the multiples of TWLO,TTD, MDB which you concentrated your portfolio on.

Your only other stock that you bought ALREADY in high P/S territory was ZS and it’s performance has lagged your portfolio’s performance.

If you are on to something with ZS and ESTC, it would likely be the first time in stock market history for a sustainable year after year gain in stocks with these valuations.

Let me know all the names of stocks in the history of the stock market that started with P/S of 20 or higher and maintained that for 3 years or longer OR had magnificent returns over the subsequent 3 years after attaining that high P/S.

Best:
Duma

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OT:

These numbers are cherry-picked from a few of the best stocks of the last 20 or so years, but the claim was that investing in very high p/s stocks NEVER pays off and we’re looking to invest of the best stocks for the next 20 or so years, while staying nimble enough (with a concentrated portfolio) to change our minds if the businesses start to falter.

All of these scenarios are basically starting at the worst time possible to invest in the underlying stocks…and look what happened over the long term.

Finally, revenue growth stayed relatively strong for all of these companies which is an attribute we weigh heavily.

AAPL P/S in 99’: 38
Total Return since then: +1,690%

Booking P/S in 2000 (Priceline): 28
Total Return since then +377%

Alphabet (GOOGL) P/S in 2005: 23
Total Return since then +91%

Amazon P/S in 99: 43
Total Return since then +3,000%

P.S. Saul didn’t claim his investments were all in companies with similarly high P/S. I think the point is, he looks for great businesses with the traits he outlined and basically ignores p/s because if the business keeps performing and revenues keep growing a high p/s turns to a low or moderate p/s relatively quickly.

Are there risks? Of course… but I think his results prove it’s possible.

Duma, I may be wrong, but I don’t know that I ever remember seeing you share your performance?

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P.S. Saul didn’t claim his investments were all in companies with similarly high P/S. I think the point is, he looks for great businesses with the traits he outlined and basically ignores p/s because if the business keeps performing and revenues keep growing a high p/s turns to a low or moderate p/s relatively quickly.

Are there risks? Of course… but I think his results prove it’s possible.

I do believe that high growth with a long future growth runway combined with low competition can justify paying a high EV/S ratio. However, Austin, I don’t think that Saul’s historical results prove that it’s possible…yet. If you look back at Saul’s historical results, they are outstanding. However, Saul didn’t start investing almost exclusively in SaaS companies with mostly recurring revenue until about 2 years ago. So you can’t really look at his 25+ years results history and make the claim that those results are because he included high valuation companies. You can look back 2 years and say that for the past 2 years it’s worked out great.

Chris

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These numbers are cherry-picked from a few of the best stocks of the last 20 or so years, but the claim was that investing in very high p/s stocks NEVER pays off and we’re looking to invest of the best stocks for the next 20 or so years, while staying nimble enough (with a concentrated portfolio) to change our minds if the businesses start to falter.

As usual on this board, there is an attack mentality with any semblance of facts.

What were the returns on those stocks in the 3 year after they hit those high P/S Lieberman???

Tell me again what Saul’s portfolio turnover has been since the inception of this board…which ones has he held for 20 years again?

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What were the returns on those stocks in the 3 year after they hit those high P/S Lieberman???

Tell me again what Saul’s portfolio turnover has been since the inception of this board…which ones has he held for 20 years again?

Probably none. But why would you want to hold a stock for 20 years anyway? Portfolio turnover, who cares? When I retire I’m going to look at the end balance, not my turnover ratio, to tell me if I was successful or not.

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HiIM,

Agreed, as I mentioned, hylgrails post inspired me to read the S1 fully. here is a link to my post if interested:

https://discussion.fool.com/elastic-estc-upcoming-ipo-34001301.a…

Best,
Matt

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Duma, respectfully, you are far better off staying on the NPI board. Your comments are better suited there. Hopefully this will be the last post in this discussion for which you fail to understand, as it’s just cluttering up the board(I’m also guilty with this).

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Saul: Your gains this year were NOT built on stocks with P/S of 26. They were instead built on expansion of the multiples of TWLO,TTD, MDB which you concentrated your portfolio on. Your only other stock that you bought ALREADY in high P/S territory was ZS and it’s performance has lagged your portfolio’s performance. If you are on to something with ZS and ESTC, it would likely be the first time in stock market history for a sustainable year after year gain in stocks with these valuations. Let me know all the names of stocks in the history of the stock market that started with P/S of 20 or higher and maintained that for 3 years or longer OR had magnificent returns over the subsequent 3 years after attaining that high P/S.
Best:
Duma

Hi Duma’
As I said, it must be very frustrating for some of you guys to see us not being punished for our foolish risk-taking behavior, and for my portfolio, for instance, being up about 80% year to date as of today, and up 230% (well more than tripling), since the beginning of 2017, when, on the other hand, you’ve recognized how insane it is, and you’ve invested in the market, in the conservative ways you’ve been taught, and the market is down a couple of percent this year, give or take.

But don’t blame me! It’s not my fault that this has happened. I let everyone know what I was doing every step of the way. It’s not my fault that these risky over-valued stocks haven’t given back all their gains and more! It’s just the way it is. :grinning:

Saul

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All…Let’s shut this thread down. It’s OT (I’m part of the problem here) and I think everyone’s points have been made.

Let’s stay focused on researching great companies. Please take any further discussion off this board.

Thank you.

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