Smackdown: MDB versus ESTC IPO docs

Hi everyone,

Spent some time looking at ESTC, and thought I should do some kind of comparison to MDB, because their businesses are so similar.

Both offer open-source based datastores, with both services and subscription revenue streams. Their markets are very similar. Maybe elasticsearch has a bigger market (my personal belief), but its hard to make an argument either way.

And their approach to the businesses are very similar, pushing their own hosted version of the software (Atlas versus ElasticCloud).

hlygrail has a great writeup of the IPO docs in this thread, so suggest you read that first.
https://discussion.fool.com/elastic-estc-ipo-research-and-discus…

Anyway, on to the smackdown! All the numbers are based on the IPO documents of Mongo and Elastic respectively.


|                                                    | MDB       | ESTC       |                |
|----------------------------------------------------|:----------|:-----------|:---------------|
| Subscription % of revenue                          | 91%       | 91%        |                |
| Subscription % of revenue [change over 9 quarters] | 3%        |  3%        |                |
|                                                    |           |            |                |
|                                                    | MDB       | ESTC       |  Winner        |
|Subscription growth (TTM yoy) [higher better]       | 54%       | 82%        |  ESTC          |
|Services growth (TTM yoy) [higher better]           | 37%       | 51%        |  ESTC          |
|Revenue growth (TTM yoy) [higher better]            | 53%       | 79%        |  ESTC          |
|                                                    |           |            |                |
|Subsc. cost of revenue growth (TTM yoy) [low better]| 82%       | 113%       |  MDB           |
|Serv. cost of revenue growth (TTM yoy) [low better] | 51%       | 104%       |  MDB           |
|                                                    |           |            |                |
| Gross margin (av ttm) [higher better]              | 72%       | 74%        |  Draw          |
| Operating margin (av ttm) [higher better]          | -70%      | -30%       |  ESTC          |
| Net margin (av ttm) [higher better]                | -70%      | -32%.      |  ESTC          |
|                                                    |           |            |                |
| Share based compensation [av ttm % of revenue].    | 15%       | 9%.        |  ESTC          |

I think Elastic wins the smackdown so far :slight_smile:

I’ve copied some of the SEC financial data to a google spreadsheet here, which you can download and play with:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10BCsiftLsuI0gCvnr0xX…

I may have got some of the calculations wrong (the italics bits) so let me know if anyone spots an error.

The main thing that suggests this may be a good IPO is the growth in ElasticCloud.

I’ll continue the smackdown and update this thread when I’ve got time, let me know any suggestions for a comparison.

cheers
Greg

Some other interesting quotes from the ESTC IPO doc:

“As of July 31, 2018, we had over 5,500 customers across over 80 countries and in a wide range of industries, compared to over 5,000 and 2,800 customers as of April 30, 2018 and 2017, respectively”

“In fiscal 2017, fiscal 2018, and for the three months ended July 31, 2018, Elastic Cloud contributed 11%, 16% and 18% of our total revenue, respectively”

“Total subscription revenue increased $22.2 million, or 76%, in the three months ended July 31, 2018 compared to the same period of the prior year. Over 40% of this increase was due to sales to new customers, and the remaining increase resulted from an increase in sales to existing customers.”

“We have recently experienced increased demand for consulting services. In fiscal 2018 we invested in our professional services organization, primarily in consulting resources that we believe will be needed as we continue to grow… [as opposed to training]”

“Our cost of revenue increased sequentially in each of the quarters presented, primarily driven by expanded adoption of Elastic Cloud by existing and new customers, which resulted in increased hosting and managing costs, as well as growth in personnel costs as we grew our support team.”

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sarksnz,

This is great! I’m very interested in the ESTC IPO. Having seen their stack in action, and currently using ELK stacks at my current position, I’m sure they’re going to do quite well. Mongo, ELK, and Redis are basically the 3 systems I see in use everywhere these days. All 3 started as open source, and continue to push those, but also provide well-engineered, easier-to-use commercial offerings based on those open source systems. And all three have huge and thriving communities built up around their open source solutions.

If Redis ever decides to go public, I’ll probably add them to my holdings as well! What a trifecta!


Paul - Looking forward to your future updates!

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Smackdown part 2…

This is getting a bit ridiculous. Basically it seems that ESTC copied MDB almost exactly. Their deferred revenue is almost exactly MDB at IPO. Employees are about the same, revenue/employee pretty similar, Net Expansion rates about the same, even their growth strategy is almost identical.

Overall, ESTC wins. I don’t have shares in MDB (because of my legendary tendency to miss boats and buy PVTLs), but I can’t see how you could have shares in MDB and not be interested in ESTC.

Prediction time: MDB IPO share price was $24, and ended up around $30 for a few months, before climbing to about $80 today. I think ESTC will start stronger, and pop higher on IPO day ($27->$40), because of investors thinking “hey, its MDB 2” and that story will stick for a quarter or two.

I’m planning to evaluate on IPO day, and buy a 1/3rd position. I’m hoping it won’t pop that high however.

cheers
Greg


| Cash	                                             | 92,451    | 51,071.    | MDB            |
| Deferred revenue                                   | 105,266.  | 103,591.   | Seriously?!?   |
| Opex growth rate (av ttm)                          |     7%.   | 16%        | MDB.           |
| Free cash flow (last two years)                    | -87,190   | -40,737.   | ESTC           |
| Free cash flow margin (av last 2 years)            | -73%      | -17%       | ESTC.          |
| Customers as at pre-IPO date                       | 4,300     | 5500       |                |
| Percent outside US                                 | 35%       | 39%        |                |
| Employees                                          | 820       | 994        |                |
| Revenue per employee                               | 151,499   | 186,051.   | ESTC           |
| Expansion rate.                                    | 128%.     | 142%.      | ESTC           |
| Expansion rate last 'x' quarters                   | ">120%".  | ">132%".   |                |
| Growth strategy	                             | Land          | Land                    |
|                                                    | Atlas         | Elastic Cloud           |
|                                                    | Expand        | Expand                  |
|                                                    | New products  | Reinvestment            |
|                                                    |Dev Community  | Open Source Community   |
|                                                    |Partner ecosys | Partnerships            |
|                                                    |International  | Acquistions             |

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Nice work Greg - thanks for taking the time!
Ant

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