Australian study of FSD

For the same reason SpaceX is a multi-trillion dollar company, even though it loses money. SpaceX is still a “space company” even when they lose money on its core business. Tesla being worth a lot more doesn’t change the fact that it is still largely a car company - until it demonstrates otherwise.

You seem to think an inflated stock price somehow necessarily means that Tesla must be a software company - even though it generates a relatively tiny amount of revenue based on such. Based on that argument, one could claim Tesla is a solar company; or Bank of America is a safety deposit box company.

Since you are fond of AI answers, try this one from Gemini:

What would likely happen to the stock price of tesla if they sold zero cars in the third quarter?

If Tesla sold zero cars in a single quarter, its stock price would likely experience a catastrophic, historic crash, dropping by 20% to 50% or more in a single day, as this would shatter the core manufacturing, cash-flow, and growth metrics that justify Tesla (TSLA)’s valuation. [1, 2]

A quarter with zero deliveries would trigger several cascading financial and market effects: [1]

  • Massive Cash Burn: Tesla still incurs billions of dollars in operating costs to run its massive Gigafactories, pay employees, and maintain service networks. Reporting zero revenue from its primary automotive division would destroy its cash reserves and raise immediate bankruptcy concerns.
  • Valuation Rewriting: Even though the market already evaluates Tesla heavily based on future autonomous software and Robotaxi tech, the car business remains the fundamental foundation of its trillion-dollar valuation. Zero sales would invalidate this entire growth thesis. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • Margin and Debt Collapse: Without automotive revenue, Tesla would see profit margins plunge deeply into the negative. This would inevitably lead to credit downgrades, triggering higher borrowing costs and potential debt covenant breaches. [1, 2]
  • Halt in Trading: The stock would likely be subjected to multiple circuit-breaker trading halts on the NASDAQ due to extreme panic-selling and massive volatility immediately following such a release. [1]
  • Executive and Strategic Shakeup Turmoil: Such an unprecedented collapse would spark immediate panic among retail and institutional investors, leading to fierce demands for immediate boardroom changes or a complete overhaul of the Tesla go-to-market strategy. [1]

Sure looks like a car company.

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No.

The Captain

Yes but I don’t post the stupid ones. When AI thinks in line with me I do post it.

The Captain

I think there would be general agreement here on that point.

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I’ve settled on this bull case for Tesla:

  1. Stock went up a lot before, so will do so again.
  2. The ceo helped jumpstart EVs in the US, so the ceo can help do future fantastical things.
  3. The ceo’s other company landed a rocket, so the ceo can help do future fantastical things.
  4. Something about vision, culture and hope/faith in future fantastical things.

But 2 to 4 are worthless without 1, so it’s mostly 1.

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Hardware vs. Software - Atoms vs. Electrons. This dichotomy has huge economic repercussions. Mankind has spent millennia working on improving economic efficiency but the greatest leap forward has been achieved by Electrons over Atoms!

Not to go too far back, lets start 250 years ago, not to American politics but to Adam Smith and pin making.

Hardware - Atoms

Adam Smith introduced the famous pin factory example in his 1776 masterpiece, The Wealth of Nations, to illustrate the immense economic power of the division of labour. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

It has nothing to do with electrons, it was about a more efficient way to move atoms. Since them there have been many other atom moving improvements. AI has been a great helper!

Time and Motion Studies is an efficiency technique that breaks down repetitive human tasks into small, measurable steps. Pioneered in the early 20th century by Frederick Winslow Taylor, it combines time studies (to determine standard task completion times) with motion studies (to eliminate unnecessary movements) to optimize productivity, standardize work, and reduce waste. [1, 2]

Operations Research (OR) emerged as a formal scientific discipline during World War II. It applied advanced mathematics, probability, and statistical analysis to military problems—such as radar deployment, anti-submarine warfare, and resource allocation—providing commanders with objective, data-driven strategies rather than relying solely on intuition. [1, 2, 3, 4]

To build the Polaris submarine-launched ballistic missile, the U.S. Navy used PERT (Program Evaluation and Review Technique). Developed for the Fleet Ballistic Missile program, PERT is a probabilistic variation of the Critical Path Method (CPM). It was used to manage thousands of complex, intersecting tasks to accelerate development. [1, 2, 3, 4]

The Critical Path Method (CPM) is a project scheduling algorithm used to identify the longest sequence of dependent tasks. It determines the absolute minimum time required to complete a project. Tasks on this “critical path” have zero float, meaning any delay will directly postpone the entire project’s completion date.[1, 2, 3]

Our Management Consulting company used CPM to manage our major projects

The assembly line. Henry Ford revolutionized manufacturing by adapting the overhead “disassembly lines” of Chicago and Cincinnati meatpacking plants.. Instead of breaking down a carcass, Ford reversed the concept to assemble a car. Workers stood stationary, performing single, repetitive tasks as the product moved past them on a conveyor. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Toyota’s trifer, Kaizen, Just-in-Time production, and Jidoka. Toyota’s lean manufacturing system, known as the Toyota Production System (TPS), aims to eliminate waste, overburden, and inconsistency to achieve maximum efficiency. It relies on continuous improvement (Kaizen) and two main pillars: Just-in-Time production and Jidoka (automation with a human touch). [1, 2]

Tesla’s Giga Press is a line of massive, high-pressure aluminum die-casting machines manufactured by the Idra Group that revolutionize vehicle manufacturing by mega-casting large sections of a car’s frame in a single piece, replacing dozens of stamped and welded parts. [1, 2]

Sandy Munro tried to sell the idea to the automobile industry for 15 years but Tesla was the first to adopt the technology.

This list would not be complete without the latest hardware optimizing technology brought to SpaceX and Tesla by Joe Justice.

Agile hardware applies software development principles—like cross-functional collaboration and rapid iterations—to physical product design. While physical manufacturing prevents shipping functional increments daily, teams use frameworks like MAHD (Modified Agile for Hardware Development) to test cheap prototypes, integrate hardware-software systems, and embrace early customer feedback. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Transitioning to agile in hardware requires adapting methodologies to work with physical constraints: [1, 2]

  • Adaptation over Software Copying: Pure software Agile (like standard Scrum) focuses on releasing code continuously. Hardware requires physical tooling, BOMs (Bills of Materials), and long lead times. Frameworks like MAHD adapt standard agile principles for physical products, focusing heavily on continuous risk reduction and early trade-off decisions. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • Rapid Prototyping & Simulations: Instead of waiting for a fully finished product, teams use fast learning cycles, digital engineering, and 3D printing to test concepts with real customers. [1, 2]
  • Cross-Disciplinary Integration: Agile hardware relies on dismantling traditional silos (schematic designers, mechanical engineers, software developers) to build integrated, co-located product teams.[1, 2, 3]
  • System Overlaps: Many modern products combine hardware and embedded software. Agile allows these interconnected systems to evolve together rather than having hardware and software developed in isolation, which usually results in costly integration problems later.[1, 2, 3]

Software - Electrons

The above is a mighty collection of ingenuity to improve the economics of hardware production but Software increased efficiency radically by reducing the need to ship atoms from mine to factory to store and ultimately to the customer.

The Atom economy is mostly Decreasing returns while the Electron economy is mostly Increasing returns, build once and ship by the millions. Unlike AOL, you don’t even have to send CD-ROMS. Over-the-air the customer pays for the download.

Share price

Investor’s valuation does not create value, it just recognizes value. AI says it better:

An investor’s valuation does not create value; it merely recognizes it. Value is created by a company’s fundamental ability to generate cash flows, allocate capital efficiently, and build competitive advantages over time. Valuation is simply the market’s current estimate of those underlying economic realities. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

While an investor’s involvement (like providing capital or strategic guidance) can lead to value creation later, the valuation figure itself acts as a report card rather than the creator of that worth. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Why is Tesla’s valuation so high?

First it created a mass market car that generates more than adequate cash flow. This car relies heavily on AI for FSD:

  • Data collection to feed AI training
  • Inference to drive the car

The Optiums robots, which should be produced in much larger numbers than cars, is inheriting the AI infrastructure all paid for by EVs! Ergo Increasing returns that drive value to record highs. Investors see the future being built and create the apparently high valuation.

The Captain

Sorry, after recent developments, I no longer read AI posts that are not in line with my thinking.

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That’s a fair choice to make if you can’t validate the AI output. All I can say that everything in my post was part of either my professional life or my life long curiosity.

About the Critical Path Method (CPM), when G&S, my Management Consulting company, was on the brink of bankruptcy my secretary said there was a woman who wanted to talk to me. “Another secretary looking for a job” I thought to myself. Resigned I let her in. She turned out to be a manager at the Instituto Nacional de Canalizaciones, Venezuela’s Dredging Company, looking for consultants to reorganize their administration under a new government policy to make them more efficient.

Canalizaciones contacted four companies, Booze Allen and Hamilton, Merrill Lynch, Pierce, Fenner & Smith, G&S (my company), and another Venezuelan company whose name I no longer remember. To make our proposal we surveyed the installations of Canalizaciones and designed our plan based on CPM.

Normally government proposals are supposed to be delivered in a sealed envelope. We told Canalizaciones that we don’t work that way, we’ll provide the sealed envelope only after explaining our proposal. No presentation, no proposal! For the board presentation we pasted the CMP chart on the wall of the conference room. Next we heard they extended the proposal period so that all contestants could make a presentation.

G&S got the contract, our largest ever. This was the time when Venezuela was about to nationalize the oil companies. US Steel had an iron ore mine at Cerro Bolivar and part of their deal with the government was a 50 year contract to build and maintain the Orinoco navigation channel from Puerto Ordaz to the delta opening to the Atlantic Ocean. Canalizaciones decided this was a good time to nationalize this contract. To do so they needed an accounting system to compensate Orinoco Mining so I got that contract as well.

Coincidentally I had installed the IBM 1401 computer at Orinoco Mining back around 1963.

None of the above has any Artificial Intelligence input.

Coincidentally today is the anniversary of my joining TMF over 20 years ago

Denny Schlesinger, The Captain

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PS: I find Google AI a good clerk to write up my stories but you can be sure that I post only what I know to be true.

I don’t read them because it’s not always clear what parts are correct and what parts are false to various degrees. I think most of us see way too many examples of false and misleading AI content. Furthermore, AI generated content is sometimes way too voluminous to waste time reading when it’s integrity is questionable.

Captainccs has posted for us plenty examples of false and misleading AI

I think Motley Fool should ban AI content unless a poster of it shows independent corroboration that shows such content is accurate

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I stated that just to poke fun at the good Captain because he stated up thread that he dismisses any AI that doesn’t match his beliefs.

No matter with whom or with what you interact you have to decide to trust or not to trust. Banning stuff or people outright without a hearing is a very poor policy, called censorship. Not the kind of world I would want to live in.

Poking fun is fair game.

The Captain

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