# Autonomous Vehicles---What Happened? Reality **URL:** \ **Category:** Macro Economic Trends and Risks\ **Created:** [January 16, 2024, 6:13pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/autonomous-vehicles-what-happened-reality/100721 "2024-01-16T18:13:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Goofyhoofy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/goofyhoofy/32/4721_2.png) [@Goofyhoofy](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Goofyhoofy)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 5:08am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/autonomous-vehicles-what-happened-reality/100721/21 "2024-01-18T05:08:32Z")
Not precisely on point, but close enough for this joint: > **[Teslas Crash More Than Any Other Brand, Analysis Finds](https://futurism.com/the-byte/teslas-crash-more-brand-analysis-finds)** > > According to a recent analysis of 30 car brands by online lending marketplace LendingTree, Tesla drivers have the highest accident rate. ---
**Author:** ![captainccs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/captainccs/32/3775_2.png) [@captainccs](https://discussion.fool.com/u/captainccs)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 10:00am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/autonomous-vehicles-what-happened-reality/100721/23 "2024-01-18T10:00:51Z")
> [@StockAnalystGPT](#): > > **Sensor and Perception Technology** : Autonomous vehicles rely on a complex array of sensors…These sensors must not only capture vast amounts of data but also accurately interpret them in real-time… Despite significant advancements, these systems still struggle in certain conditions, **such as heavy rain,** fog, or even direct sunlight that can blind sensors. One day the downpour was so heavy that I could hardly see the road - as bad as thick fog. Human perception has the same problems! > [@StockAnalystGPT](#): > > **Artificial Intelligence and Decision Making** : Developing algorithms that can handle every possible situation a driver might encounter is an immense challenge. Neural networks are replacing algorithms (heuristics). > [@StockAnalystGPT](#): > > **Mapping and Localization** : Self-driving cars require highly detailed maps and the ability to precisely determine their location within those maps. Some do but Tesla is not one of them. Tesla uses maps for route planning but not for the actual driving. > [@StockAnalystGPT](#): > > In conclusion, while the promise of self-driving cars is still very much alive, the path to realizing this technology on a mass scale is more complex and fraught with challenges than initially anticipated. Some of those ‘challenges’ are imaginary while others that we have yet to discover might be lurking. The Captain ---
**Author:** ![Tamhas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/tamhas/32/4672_2.png) [@Tamhas](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Tamhas)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 3:01pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/autonomous-vehicles-what-happened-reality/100721/24 "2024-01-18T15:01:22Z")
More? I thought for some years now we were getting figures of fewer accidents per mile. ---
**Author:** ![albaby1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/albaby1/32/12772_2.png) [@albaby1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/albaby1)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 3:11pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/autonomous-vehicles-what-happened-reality/100721/25 "2024-01-18T15:11:16Z")
They’re measuring different things. Tesla’s measuring **crashes** , and the LendingTree study measured **incidents** - which include non-crash incidents like traffic citations, DUI’s, and speeding tickets in addition to actual crashes. > **[Ram, Tesla and Subaru Have the Worst Drivers | LendingTree](https://www.lendingtree.com/insurance/brand-incidents-study/)** > > Our analysis uses QuoteWizard by LendingTree insurance quote data to determine which car brands have the worst drivers. ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 3:47pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/autonomous-vehicles-what-happened-reality/100721/26 "2024-01-18T15:47:27Z")
> [@albaby1](#): > > They’re measuring different things. Tesla’s measuring **crashes** , and the LendingTree study measured **incidents** - which include non-crash incidents like traffic citations, DUI’s, and speeding tickets in addition to actual crashes. LendingTree looked at accidents as well as incidents. "Nationally, Ram drivers had 32.90 driving **incidents** (accidents, DUIs, speeding and citations) per 1,000 drivers from Nov. 14, 2022, through Nov. 14, 2023. Tesla (31.13) and Subaru (30.09) were the only other brands whose drivers had incident rates above 30.00… “Tesla drivers have the highest **accident** rate. From Nov. 14, 2022, through Nov. 14, 2023, Tesla drivers had 23.54 accidents per 1,000 drivers. Ram (22.76) and Subaru (20.90) were the only other brands with more than 20.00 accidents per 1,000 drivers.” DB2 ---
**Author:** ![Goofyhoofy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/goofyhoofy/32/4721_2.png) [@Goofyhoofy](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Goofyhoofy)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2024, 5:23pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/autonomous-vehicles-what-happened-reality/100721/27 "2024-01-18T17:23:43Z")
> [@Tamhas](#): > > More? I thought for some years now we were getting figures of fewer accidents per mile. Different things, and that meme is wrongly calculated to start with. This is “Tesla drivers”, which is different than “Tesla’s driving with auto-pilot”. Tesla drivers may use the ‘quick acceleration’ more, or speed more, or something, dunno. The stat of “Tesla’s with auto pilot” is heavily skewed towards interstate and limited access driving where accidents are more rare, but it is mistakenly compared to “all driving” including city and suburban driving on feeder streets, where accidents in stop and go traffic are far more common. ---
**Author:** ![Tamhas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/tamhas/32/4672_2.png) [@Tamhas](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Tamhas)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/autonomous-vehicles-what-happened-reality/100721/28 "2024-01-19T22:07:12Z")
My memory of the “on FSD” figures was that there was also a figure for without. ---
**Author:** ![ItsGoingUp](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/itsgoingup/32/3596_2.png) [@ItsGoingUp](https://discussion.fool.com/u/ItsGoingUp)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 5:37am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/autonomous-vehicles-what-happened-reality/100721/29 "2024-01-22T05:37:10Z")
> [@Goofyhoofy](#): > > This is “Tesla drivers” No, it isn’t that either. It’s Tesla drivers who looked for insurance quotes at Lending Tree, which would be maybe a few of the worst Tesla drivers. The analysis relies on garbage data. It’s meaningless. -IGU- ---
**Author:** ![Leap1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/leap1/32/72176_2.png) [@Leap1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Leap1)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 1:46pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/autonomous-vehicles-what-happened-reality/100721/30 "2024-01-22T13:46:22Z")
Goofy, Very interesting. For all car drivers the average age is the mid to late 40s. Tesla is no exception. I just looked up some of the data. I was surprised. Older people drive Teslas. What makes the Tesla rate worse is urban v rural stats. I am reasonably guessing Tesla is an urban car. The fatality rate in rural areas decreased by 8 percent from 1.89 in 2012 to 1.74 in 2021. The fatality rate in urban areas increased by 55 percent from 0.77 in 2012 to 1.19 in 2021. **In 2021 the fatality rate was 1.5 times higher in rural areas than in urban areas (1.74 versus 1.19)**. [https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/813488#:~:text=The%20fatality%20rate%20in%20rural,2012%20to%201.74%20in%202021.&text=The%20fatality%20rate%20in%20urban,2012%20to%201.19%20in%202021.&text=In%202021%20the%20fatality%20rate%20was%201.5%20times%20higher%20in,areas%20(1.74%20versus%201.19)](https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api/Public/ViewPublication/813488#:~:text=The%20fatality%20rate%20in%20rural,2012%20to%201.74%20in%202021.&text=The%20fatality%20rate%20in%20urban,2012%20to%201.19%20in%202021.&text=In%202021%20the%20fatality%20rate%20was%201.5%20times%20higher%20in,areas%20(1.74%20versus%201.19)). Where are the most car accidents per capita? As you can see, **Mississippi** has the most car accidents per capita by state. For anyone who understands car accident risk factors, this is relatively unsurprising. [What State Has the Most Car Accidents? | 1800THELAW2](https://www.1800thelaw2.com/resources/vehicle-accident/top-10-states-with-the-most-car-accidents/#:~:text=As%20you%20can%20see%2C%20Mississippi,factors%2C%20this%20is%20relatively%20unsurprising). The point is the entire thing is a disaster as usual. At least the Telsas are better built than most cars for safety. [Previous page](https://discussion.fool.com/t/autonomous-vehicles-what-happened-reality/100721.md?page=1)