# Can you make head or tail of this? **URL:** \ **Category:** Macro Economic Trends and Risks\ **Created:** [November 6, 2024, 8:05pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999 "2024-11-06T20:05:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![pauleckler](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/pauleckler/32/2906_2.png) [@pauleckler](https://discussion.fool.com/u/pauleckler)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 2:43am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/49 "2024-11-08T02:43:17Z")
Letter to the editor in today’s St Louis Post Dispatch pointed out that Democrats liberal wing is most vocal. Their focus seems to be open borders, soft on crime, and mostly into DEI. These issues do not play with the middle class. They feel ignored. Saw TV item pointing out that Obama got many more blue states in the midwest. Liberal wing of the Democrats writes off much of the fly over country and hardly even tries to get their vote. Perhaps new leadership is needed. ---
**Author:** ![Leap1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/leap1/32/72176_2.png) [@Leap1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Leap1)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 2:45am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/50 "2024-11-08T02:45:42Z")
> [@iampops5](#): > > Tell them what they want to hear because nobody else is. Reality he gained very few votes over 2020. She gave no one a reason to vote. The economy is issue numbers 1 and 2. She failed. ---
**Author:** ![Leap1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/leap1/32/72176_2.png) [@Leap1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Leap1)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2024, 2:47am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/51 "2024-11-08T02:47:35Z")
She was asked about universal healthcare. Huge fail ---
**Author:** ![Hawkwin](https://g.foolcdn.com/misc-assets/discourse-member-avatar_120px_green600.png) [@Hawkwin](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Hawkwin)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 11:09pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/52 "2024-11-13T23:09:52Z")
Hey Steve, what’s the word in Dearborn today in light of the following news? Hearing any regrets yet? > **[Trump picks Mike Huckabee to serve as US ambassador to Israel | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/12/politics/mike-huckabee-israel/index.html)** > > President-elect Donald Trump announced Tuesday that he has nominated former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee to serve as United States ambassador to Israel. Huckabee suggested that if a Palestinian state were to be created, it should be in neighboring countries like Egypt, Syria or Jordan, rather than within Israel’s borders. “Basically, there really is no such thing as — I need to be careful about saying this, because people will really get upset — **there’s really no such thing as a Palestinian,”** … “I think Israel has title deed to Judea and Samaria,” said Huckabee, using the biblical terms for the West Bank. “There are certain words I refuse to use. There is no such thing as a West Bank. It’s Judea and Samaria. There’s no such thing as a settlement. They’re communities, they’re neighborhoods, they’re cities. There’s no such thing as an occupation.” * * * ---
**Author:** ![Leap1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/leap1/32/72176_2.png) [@Leap1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Leap1)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2024, 11:44pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/54 "2024-11-13T23:44:52Z")
> [@Hawkwin](#): > > “Basically, there really is no such thing as — I need to be careful about saying this, because people will really get upset — **there’s really no such thing as a Palestinian,”** They are Syrian tribesmen. It is not hard. There are a lot of different tribes involved. Most of the tribes have peace and security with Israel. Hamas and the PLA are causing problems all around. If people get upset about this the Syrian tribesmen must be laughing a lot about them. The Israelis and the tribes are generally on very good terms. But not all of the tribes. ---
**Author:** ![steve203](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/steve203/32/3302_2.png) [@steve203](https://discussion.fool.com/u/steve203)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2024, 2:45am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/55 "2024-11-14T02:45:08Z")
> [@Hawkwin](#): > > Hey Steve, what’s the word in Dearborn today in light of the following news? Hearing any regrets yet? Well, my previous reply was purged. Let’s try a different approach: I have not heard any “buyer’s remorse”, on the local news. One local Muslim community leader said that some conservative Muslims might have been attracted to the blatant homophobic messaging used by one side. Good luck guys. Steve ---
**Author:** ![Hawkwin](https://g.foolcdn.com/misc-assets/discourse-member-avatar_120px_green600.png) [@Hawkwin](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Hawkwin)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2025, 5:24pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/56 "2025-01-21T17:24:20Z")
> [@Hawkwin](#): > > Hey Steve, what’s the word in Dearborn today in light of the following news? Timely update: > **[Exclusive-Trump to pull nearly 1,660 Afghan refugees from flights, say US...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-trump-administration-canceling-flights-220249333.html)** > > WASHINGTON (Reuters) -Nearly 1,660 Afghans cleared by the U.S. government to resettle in the U.S., including family members of active-duty U.S. military personnel, are having their flights canceled under President Donald Trump's order suspending U.S.... Because this needs to be quoted twice: > including family members of active-duty U.S. military personnel More: > The group includes unaccompanied minors awaiting reunification with their families in the U.S. as well as Afghans at risk of Taliban retribution because they fought for the former U.S.-backed Afghan government Give them what they asked for, hard. ::hat-tip:: ---
**Author:** ![steve203](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/steve203/32/3302_2.png) [@steve203](https://discussion.fool.com/u/steve203)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2025, 5:35pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/57 "2025-01-21T17:35:27Z")
> [@Hawkwin](#): > > including family members of active-duty U.S. military personnel “Chain migration”, which accounts for the vast majority of legal immigration to the US, has been the target of certain factions for some years now. Steve ---
**Author:** ![Leap1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/leap1/32/72176_2.png) [@Leap1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Leap1)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2025, 5:47pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/58 "2025-01-21T17:47:35Z")
The [executive order](https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/protecting-the-meaning-and-value-of-american-citizenship/) signed on Monday tries to make it so that children born in the US, but without at least one parent who is a lawful permanent resident or US citizen, are no longer automatically extended US citizenship. My folks had green cards. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkwin](https://g.foolcdn.com/misc-assets/discourse-member-avatar_120px_green600.png) [@Hawkwin](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Hawkwin)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 6:37pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/59 "2025-01-26T18:37:57Z")
> [@Hawkwin](#): > > Timely update: Another Dearborn related update: > **[Trump wants neighbours to take in Palestinians to 'clean out' Gaza](https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-wants-egypt-jordan-155446552.html)** > > The comments will outrage Palestinians in Gaza, for whom it is their home. Who had “ethnic cleansing” on their bingo card? ---
**Author:** ![steve203](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/steve203/32/3302_2.png) [@steve203](https://discussion.fool.com/u/steve203)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 7:01pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/60 "2025-01-26T19:01:08Z")
> [@Hawkwin](#): > > Who had “ethnic cleansing” on their bingo card? The “first son in law”. Piece on TYT. Don’t listen to the rest of the content. Just watch the first 1:50 of the piece, where TNG talks about what a great site Gaza is for development, followed by Kushner, saying the same thing, and that the Pals need to be moved out. Don’t listen to anything beyond the first 1:50 [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/original/3X/2/3/23074d9f6681eadaec994c2898bb02ae6270a85e.jpeg "Trump Says The Quiet Part Out Loud About Gaza") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSoT22pCBGM&t=297s) Steve ---
**Author:** ![steve203](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/steve203/32/3302_2.png) [@steve203](https://discussion.fool.com/u/steve203)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 12:28am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/61 "2025-01-27T00:28:46Z")
> [@Hawkwin](#): > > Who had “ethnic cleansing” on their bingo card? By the way, as someone observed, all the “foreign aid” is frozen, except for Israel and Egypt. Egypt, and Jordan, are the nominees to host Pal concentration camps, so that Gaza can be “cleaned out”, in preparation for redevelopment, as part of Israel. Any bets the word being given to Egypt and Jordan is “if you want to see another nickel of foreign aid, “volunteer” to host the Pal concentration camps”? Steve ---
**Author:** ![jerryab2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/jerryab2/32/3274_2.png) [@jerryab2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/jerryab2)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 3:35am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/62 "2025-01-27T03:35:12Z")
> [@Hawkwin](#): > > Who had “ethnic cleansing” on their bingo card? IMO, just about everyone. Clear out Florida and let them deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Leap1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/leap1/32/72176_2.png) [@Leap1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Leap1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 11:33am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/63 "2025-01-27T11:33:11Z")
The population might be slightly reduced but 2.1 million Gazans are going nowhere. As the article says it is their home. Note it is not their prison or they’d want out. The taking down of the empty homes was to avoid street fighting with Hamas door to door. Gaza will be rebuilt. Hamas will change its ways. There is only a blockade on Gaza because Hamas was arming. As far as Junior has he ever made any sense? Hardly. It is important in American culture that we begin to assign the word “dolt”. The Jordanians before any camps is mostly Palestinians from the Trans Jordan. Israel is part of the Trans Jordan. ---
**Author:** ![albaby1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/albaby1/32/12772_2.png) [@albaby1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/albaby1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 2:23pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/64 "2025-01-27T14:23:45Z")
> [@Hawkwin](#): > > Who had “ethnic cleansing” on their bingo card? Yes, it would have been folly for anyone to think that he would have any concern for the well-being of Palestinians in Gaza. Or the West Bank. Though this is rather a surprise, since a top goal of the Administration is an expanded Abraham Accords including Saudi Arabia - and this public statement can’t really help move that along. Since there’s virtually no chance that Egypt or Jordan would accept large numbers of Gazan refugees, this little bit of logorrhea won’t have any actual impact. ---
**Author:** ![Leap1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/leap1/32/72176_2.png) [@Leap1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Leap1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 2:51pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/65 "2025-01-27T14:51:49Z")
> [@albaby1](#): > > Though this is rather a surprise, since a top goal of the Administration is an expanded Abraham Accords including Saudi Arabia - and this public statement can’t really help move that along. That is not true. 60% of the Palestinians have very good relations with Israel. Including democracy and bettering economies. The Palestinians on the West Bank and in Gaza are led by very small factions who do not allow elections. While the populations are younger and more hotheaded their sympathies for Hamas and the PLA do not mean they have joined Hamas and the PLA. In that light most Palestinians in Gaza or on the West Bank are not that swayed against Israel. Why would they be? Because Israel is Jewish? Israel is an Arab state that is not fully or mostly Muslim. Islamic populations go in many different directions. Many people understand on several levels a need for Israel but want prosperity and better for all of the Arabs. Syria It is all Greater Syria. That is the nut Saudis and others look at. That is not our point of view. Syria brings in Russia. Or was doing that. The Muslim governments know their internal fighting is much more problematic than Israel’s existence. The other nut for their study. I wish the American press would get a clue about that. ---
**Author:** ![albaby1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/albaby1/32/12772_2.png) [@albaby1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/albaby1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 2:55pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/66 "2025-01-27T14:55:29Z")
> [@Leap1](#): > > That is not true. It is true - and it’s not inconsistent with anything you wrote. Egypt and Jordan don’t want to accept large numbers of Palestinian refugees, and there aren’t large numbers of Palestinians who want to relocate out of Gaza. So putting public pressure on Egypt and Jordan isn’t going to result in anything concrete - but it **does** make it a little more difficult for SA to cooperate in a new regional economic and security agreement, because PA relocation will be unpopular with the SA public. None of that has anything to do with how the Palestinian public feel about Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Leap1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/leap1/32/72176_2.png) [@Leap1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Leap1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 2:57pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/67 "2025-01-27T14:57:06Z")
> [@albaby1](#): > > Egypt and Jordan don’t want to accept large numbers of Palestinian refugees, and there aren’t large numbers of Palestinians who want to relocate out of Gaza. That is not what I am talking about. I do not expect ethnic cleansing. I do not see famine. I do not see genocide. I see a squeak wheel trying to get some grease. I think Hamas needs to crap or get off the pot. Hamas must change. As for Junior? Learn your lesson…forget about his rants. Trump is saying he is not sure what the solution is. He is muttering. ---
**Author:** ![albaby1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/albaby1/32/12772_2.png) [@albaby1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/albaby1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 3:08pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/68 "2025-01-27T15:08:27Z")
> [@Leap1](#): > > That is not what I am talking about. Perhaps not - but that’s what my initial statement was, which you suggested was not true. There are certainly “wishful thinking” ways to make the conflict disappear. The reason that none of that’s happened over the century or two of conflict is because those solutions are indeed just wishful thinking. The suggestion that Egypt and Jordan agree to take a million or so refugees is one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Leap1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/leap1/32/72176_2.png) [@Leap1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Leap1)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2025, 3:32pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999/69 "2025-01-27T15:32:59Z")
> [@Leap1](#): > > > [@albaby1](#): > > > > Though this is rather a surprise, since a top goal of the Administration is an expanded Abraham Accords including Saudi Arabia - and this public statement can’t really help move that along. > > That is not true. You are seeing a conflict that on many levels does not exist. Plus there are other conflicts you are not sussing out, ie Iran, Syria, Lebanon…but purely Hamas and the PLA need to move on. That is not lost on other Arab governments. [Previous page](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999.md?page=2) [Next page](https://discussion.fool.com/t/can-you-make-head-or-tail-of-this/109999.md?page=4)