Child Death Rate In War

The number is high. It might be accurate.

Where are the deaths happening? The deaths mostly have happened in air raids. The targets were Hamas militants. The militants were sitting with their own children and wives.

How many Hamas militants have died? No one tells us.

How many non-Hamas family members have died? We do not know no one tells us.

More of the war now is a ground offensive which is more surgical. The number of children dying may have dropped significantly. The number of non-Hamas civilian deaths may have dropped significantly.

You can be born into a militant family of 15 children. There are crazy averages of children per family in that region. Both Jewish and Palestinian have the highest birth rates in the world.

Why did Israel focus on air raids? To save IDF lives. Softening up Hamas has made the ground offensive less bloody now.

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Ukraine is a different situation than Gaza. Ukrainian children were evacuated to Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Germany, Romania, Slovakia and other countries. Gaza children are not allowed out of Gaza by IDF. Israel considers all the children as suspect Hamas fighters from babies through 18 years old.

##18 Nov 2023

Geneva – As the war on the Gaza Strip enters its seventh week, Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor said today that the death toll from Israel’s genocide campaign has likely risen to 20,000 dead Palestinians, including those missing under the rubble with little hope of survival.

Euro-Med Monitor estimated that at least 15,271 Palestinians in Gaza have been killed, including 3,561 women and 6,403 children. Over 32,310 additional people have been injured by the Israeli attacks, many of whom are in critical condition and unable to receive even the bare minimum of medical attention due to the Gazan health system’s collapse.

There are reportedly 4,1500 people missing beneath the debris of buildings hit by Israeli air and artillery strikes, with little chance of their survival. Hundreds of bodies that cannot be recovered remain on the roads, according to Euro-Med Monitor, particularly in areas where the Israeli army has conducted ground incursions.

Friday 17 November: Twenty thousand Palestinians believed to be killed in Israel’s genocide of Gaza - occupied Palestinian territory | ReliefWeb.

These are the most realistic numbers because it includes people under the rubble who can not be identified by name.

Really? From babies through 18 years old. So you think that Israel thinks babies are Hamas fighters? Are your views a little on the extreme side?

Andy

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My statement was meant to draw attention to the fact that Israelis do not allow for the evacuation of women and children under 10 from Gaza. What is your answer?

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No your statement was meant to be complete Hyperbole just like your statement above. Israel will allow anyone to leave through Egypt.

I think your fight is with Egypt.

Andy

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No! The Egyptians are not murdering innocent Palestinians like the Israelis are doing. Over 20,000 Palestinians dead.

It isn’t murder if it is self defense. I really do not understand why you condone what Hamas did. Every Palestinian should join Israel in going after Hamas.

Andy

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But a prerequisite to anything like that is a working civil society, and the Arab states, USA, and especially Israel effectively gave up on that when Israel withdrew from Gaza without an agreement, leaving it to the most violent and vicious to control, only reentering it periodically to (as one commander put it) “mow the grass” in recurring violent suprressions. This was a policy with no vision nor conceivable outcome but the explosion of horrors that is now still unfolding.

I blame nobody and everybody, going back at least as far as the egregious blind greedy policies of the great powers after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. The religious fanatics of Christians, Jews, and Muslims all played an ugly and crucial part, but mostly what we see is what the ancients down through Hobbes defined and deprecated as the ultimate scourge

ANARCHY, the war of all against all because legitimate authority is lacking.

Within that anarchy there are sectors of ordered power, but those sectors only serve to exacerbate the problems of the enraged powerless, and to enhance the scale of violence. All the shrieking and blaming I see in the news and on this board is emblematic of the problem. All of us, all over the world, keep contributing to that problem by focusing on phantom and/or long passed curing causes and ludicrously impossible solutions. Hamas will soon be gone (except for the monstrous leadership safe with their bank accounts in the UAE etc), but it is inevitable that more insanely deluded enraged Palestinian teenagers will agglomerate into new insane formations, confronting a deranged Netanyahu and his followers.

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Exactly David. When the extreme’s run the asylum this is exactly what we get. That is why it is important for the Grown ups to step in.

Andy

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Yes. And unfortunately"the Grown ups" are not absent minded parents waking up to the children’s shrieking next door, but are instead external substitutes for this guy

Leviathan (Hobbes book) - Wikipedia (push the little button and get historic title page of the book)

If I remember right, Hobbes called the essential monarch “the monster of peace”. He can kill anyone, destroy anything, take anything, and he demands the assent of everyone on pain of death. Then you can have a civil society.

Takes some time to evolve that out of an anarchy. Can happen via invasion, as witness this terrifying scene from the end of thebrillian opera Boris Godunov, when a renegade monk pretending to be the legitimate Czar is “leading” (actually he is a stooge) an invading Roman Catholic Polishj/Lithuanian army into anarchic Orthodox starving Russia. Mussorgsky’s music provides a brilliant insight into glorious religious fanaticism as a key element of dominating control, and the fake Tsaravcih calling on all the people to join him in marching on Moscow to storm the Kremlin echoes perfectly to Jerusalem and the Holy Mount.

Most tellingly (jump to 6:00) of the video, it is only a schizophrenic simpleton fool, in chains, who prophetically understands what is really happening, and cries out a final song of pure woe.: the darkness is here, weep starving people…

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It is not self defense - IDF is the aggressor dumping thousands of bombs on civilians. Why do you condone the Israeli murder of thousands of women and children in Gaza?

I do not condone Hamas. The greater evil currently by a factor of 10 is IDF and Israeli government.

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The Israelis created the asylum so they are far from being the adults. And now US is supporting the idiot Israelis in their murdering of over 20,000 Palestinians.

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If the Palestinian men would have stood up to Hamas instead of folding, maybe they could have had a state they could be proud of. When you lay down with dogs you only get up with fleas.

Andy

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Why didn’t the German people rise up against Hitler?
Why don’t the Israelis rise up against Likud party?
Why didn’t the Russian people rise up against Putin or Stalin?
Why didn’t the Italian people rise up against Mussolini?

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So you compare Hamas to the Nizi’s and yet you stand up for Hamas. That is very interesting. Mind you, I didn’t say Hamas was like the Nizi’s, you did.

Andy

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You obviously did not understand my post. My examples showed that civilians can not depose a dictator supported by the military.

Therefore, your saying that Palestinians civilians should depose Hamas is ignorant. You forget that Hamas violently took over Gaza from the PLO.

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So the Israelis fired all those rockets and led the attacks from Gaza?

Enough said.

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You literally put Hamas in a list with Hitler. I think you do not understand what you are arguing for. Soon you will be coming on this board telling us all how Mugabe was a much misunderstood despot.

Andy

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The largest mass ethnic refugee exodus in Europe occurs after WWII in Eastern Europe where millions and millions of Ethnic Germans were forible removed from their ancient homelands in Eastern Europe. Over a million ethnic Germans were held in the concentration camps formerly used by the NAZIs to carry out the final solution. Half of thses ethnic Germans were murdered there.
This because Ethnic Germans were held responsible for supporting Hitler, electing hin and following him. Just in the same way Palestinians elected Hamas and carry out the orders of Hamas to end all Jewish life in Israel.

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