# China has not lost ability to innovate **URL:** \ **Category:** Macro Economic Trends and Risks\ **Created:** [September 10, 2023, 7:38am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/china-has-not-lost-ability-to-innovate/96283 "2023-09-10T07:38:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![intercst](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/intercst/32/1543_2.png) [@intercst](https://discussion.fool.com/u/intercst)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 7:38am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/china-has-not-lost-ability-to-innovate/96283/1 "2023-09-10T07:38:49Z")
[Scientists in China may have just reinvented the toilet bowl (bgr.com)](https://bgr.com/science/scientists-in-china-may-have-just-reinvented-the-toilet-bowl/) intercst ---
**Author:** ![pauleckler](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/pauleckler/32/2906_2.png) [@pauleckler](https://discussion.fool.com/u/pauleckler)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 2:45pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/china-has-not-lost-ability-to-innovate/96283/2 "2023-09-10T14:45:23Z")
A well educated population, hard working, and driven to succeed (by family and culture) has much potential. ---
**Author:** ![Leap1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/leap1/32/72176_2.png) [@Leap1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Leap1)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 2:56pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/china-has-not-lost-ability-to-innovate/96283/3 "2023-09-10T14:56:42Z")
Perhaps we could steal their IP! ---
**Author:** ![AlphaWolf](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/alphawolf/32/5945_2.png) [@AlphaWolf](https://discussion.fool.com/u/AlphaWolf)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 3:14pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/china-has-not-lost-ability-to-innovate/96283/4 "2023-09-10T15:14:07Z")
What a load of crap. We need to dump this thread. Just curious, does it come in gold? ---
**Author:** ![MataroPete](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/mataropete/32/16060_2.png) [@MataroPete](https://discussion.fool.com/u/MataroPete)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 3:16pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/china-has-not-lost-ability-to-innovate/96283/5 "2023-09-10T15:16:55Z")
> [@AlphaWolf](#): > > We need to dump this thread. Yeah, better off talking about recipes like making fudge or baking brownies or something… Pete ---
**Author:** ![jerryab2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/jerryab2/32/3274_2.png) [@jerryab2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/jerryab2)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 5:32pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/china-has-not-lost-ability-to-innovate/96283/6 "2023-09-10T17:32:31Z")
Be more interesting if they made a thin liner material (how thin could it be and still function?) that could be used in a variety of places. Non-stick variety of bakeware/cookware? Other commercial applications? ---
**Author:** ![Leap1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/leap1/32/72176_2.png) [@Leap1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Leap1)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 6:39pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/china-has-not-lost-ability-to-innovate/96283/7 "2023-09-10T18:39:51Z")
[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/original/3X/4/d/4d1d72ff6e784a2034addc6f3c16abf60440543b.jpeg "Britney Spears - Toxic (Official HD Video)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOZuxwVk7TU) enjoy the gratuitous bathroom scene. ---
**Author:** ![jerryab2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/jerryab2/32/3274_2.png) [@jerryab2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/jerryab2)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 11:31pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/china-has-not-lost-ability-to-innovate/96283/8 "2023-09-10T23:31:37Z")
> [@AlphaWolf](#): > > does it come in gold? Maybe fool’s gold… Or golden shower gold? ---
**Author:** ![pauleckler](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/pauleckler/32/2906_2.png) [@pauleckler](https://discussion.fool.com/u/pauleckler)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2023, 1:24am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/china-has-not-lost-ability-to-innovate/96283/9 "2023-09-11T01:24:56Z")
At every high school I know of that has a significant Asian student population, the top scores usually go to Asians. They are disciplined and work at learning. It’s a mistake to count them out in any competition. They are very capable. ---
**Author:** ![Leap1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/leap1/32/72176_2.png) [@Leap1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Leap1)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2023, 2:13am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/china-has-not-lost-ability-to-innovate/96283/10 "2023-09-11T02:13:00Z")
@pauleckler Human to human it has nothing to do with the people. The Chinese government has made sure of that. The larger sweep of history is against China. ---
**Author:** ![steve203](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/steve203/32/3302_2.png) [@steve203](https://discussion.fool.com/u/steve203)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2023, 2:27am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/china-has-not-lost-ability-to-innovate/96283/11 "2023-09-11T02:27:14Z")
Twenty years ago, it was the Japanese that were developing “high tech” toilets. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/original/3X/b/c/bcaee229f400c14a190c384a7d4f877faf3c8142.jpeg "Futurama: Japanese Toilet") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wShyOQ4dyG8) ---
**Author:** ![Leap1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/leap1/32/72176_2.png) [@Leap1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Leap1)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2023, 3:11am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/china-has-not-lost-ability-to-innovate/96283/12 "2023-09-11T03:11:52Z")
[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/original/3X/5/1/51a3abd7633af1875b9db892edcbc55eb044ede0.jpeg "Randy Discovers Japanese Toilets - SOUTH PARK") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRL4l2GOqXk) ---
**Author:** ![intercst](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/intercst/32/1543_2.png) [@intercst](https://discussion.fool.com/u/intercst)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2023, 3:57am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/china-has-not-lost-ability-to-innovate/96283/13 "2023-09-11T03:57:10Z")
When I was working on the construction of an offshore oil platform in Japan for Exxon in the early 1980’s, they had a problem with the Japanese construction workers pulling the toilet tanks off the walls of the bathrooms. Apparently they were attempting to use the American-style fixtures as a traditional Japanese toilet by standing on the seat, facing the wall, and holding on to the tank. We had to install bilingual placards explaining the proper use and operation. > **[A sign in Japan explaining how to use a Western toilet Stock Photo - Alamy](https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-a-sign-in-japan-explaining-how-to-use-a-western-toilet-123284175.html)** > > Download this stock image: A sign in Japan explaining how to use a Western toilet. - H4G267 from Alamy's library of millions of high resolution stock photos, illustrations and vectors. intercst ---
**Author:** ![thejusticier](https://g.foolcdn.com/misc-assets/discourse-member-avatar_120px_blue600.png) [@thejusticier](https://discussion.fool.com/u/thejusticier)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 10:21pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/china-has-not-lost-ability-to-innovate/96283/14 "2023-09-21T22:21:02Z")
> [@pauleckler](#): > > At every high school I know of that has a significant Asian student population, the top scores usually go to Asians. That may be but it has nothing to do with the ability of a society to be innovative or not. Sure most Chinese students excel at taking tests. Is that because China invented the standardized test and all the bureaucracy around it? No. China has been innovative in ancient times. However lately, it has fallen behind. It has caught up a bit but can it continue? tj ---
**Author:** ![pauleckler](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/pauleckler/32/2906_2.png) [@pauleckler](https://discussion.fool.com/u/pauleckler)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 11:02pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/china-has-not-lost-ability-to-innovate/96283/15 "2023-09-21T23:02:48Z")
> [@thejusticier](#): > > lately, it has fallen behind. Measured how? They certainly have the educated manpower. The “Chinese copy” is famous. They are good at that too. They seem very capable in many areas. Rare earths. Silicon photovoltaics. High speed rail. And one might suspect they are way ahead in many items they manufacture. If we no longer manufacture how can we expect to keep up? They have some clear advantages. And long term strategy. ---
**Author:** ![thejusticier](https://g.foolcdn.com/misc-assets/discourse-member-avatar_120px_blue600.png) [@thejusticier](https://discussion.fool.com/u/thejusticier)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2023, 11:52pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/china-has-not-lost-ability-to-innovate/96283/16 "2023-09-21T23:52:55Z")
> [@pauleckler](#): > > Measured how? by academic paper publishing, by number of patents, by business innovations, by tech advances …it is multi facets. However, I think that if they isolate themselves and/or are isolated and if the regime becomes more autocratic then their recent innovative run may slow and come to an end. tj