HS2: High Speed Rail in the UK

Cost estimates have ballooned as completion dates stretch out. The estimated total cost of completing HS2 has ballooned to over £100 billion, significantly higher than initial projections which started at around £16 billion.

Now smaller but more expensive.

Phase 1, from London to Handsacre near Lichfield, connecting to the north-south West Coast Main Line and a branch to Birmingham. Construction contracts were signed in 2017, with work expected to start in 2018 or 2019. Services were originally expected to begin in 2026 but by June 2025, the opening date was said to be “beyond 2033”.

Phase 2 initially consisted of the two legs of the Y-shaped route, with the Y splitting north of Birmingham to Manchester and Leeds…

The route to Leeds was cancelled in November 2021, with the eastern branch cut back to end at East Midlands Parkway station, south of Nottingham. In June 2022 the link to the West Coast Main Line at Golborne south of Wigan was cancelled. In October 2023, the route to Manchester was cancelled, leaving only phase 1…

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“Construction contracts were signed” for phase 1. Does that mean construction is under way? When is phase 1 to be completed?

Total cost?

Count me in.

The fossil fuel blockade in the middle east has an estimated ongoing run rate of about $440 billion per year to the US people.

Just 6 months cost $221 billion:

At this cost, the US could build 4 high speed rails per year, 3 in the US and 1 as a gift to another country (UK first).

The US could provide the (annual) gift of high speed rail to the world instead of the gift of fossil fuel blockade.

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With the Saudi pipeline shut down an estimated 3 - 5 weeks (one guess I heard) by the Houthi militant greens, Zandi might need to revise his estimates.

I honestly didn’t know the Houthis were such big high speed rail proponents.

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Easy for you to say. The point is that the cost has tripled while the route has shrunk and the completion time has expanded.

Sounds like California’s “political dysfunction”.

How California’s Bullet Train Went Off the Rails
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/09/us/california-high-speed-rail-politics.html
The state was warned repeatedly that its plans were too complex. SNCF, the French national railroad, was among bullet train operators from Europe and Japan that came to California in the early 2000s with hopes of getting a contract to help develop the system.

The company’s recommendations for a direct route out of Los Angeles and a focus on moving people between Los Angeles and San Francisco were cast aside, said Dan McNamara, a career project manager for SNCF.‌ The company‌ ‌pulled out in 2011.

“There were so many things that went wrong,” Mr. McNamara said. “SNCF was very angry. They told the state they were leaving for North Africa, which was less politically dysfunctional. They went to Morocco and helped them build a rail system.”

Morocco’s bullet train started service in 2018.

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My point is that our middle east blockades of fossil fuel are expensive.

I’d like to know what other green alternatives to fossil fuels we could fund at the same cost and also not have destructive and deadly wars.

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OK, but the HS2 project started almost a decade ago. Please keep on topic or start a new thread.

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Somebody might want to look at the rail network in China and then chart it against how many wars China has been in during the period of the build-out.

It could be instructive.

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More useful would be an explanation of why France or Morocco, for example, can be successful/efficient at building high speed rail while the UK and California fail.

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HS2 is symbolic of the UK at the moment. Nothing seems to work properly or on time. The only thing growing is our public sector which just gets more and more inefficient.

As for trains, look at the one China built in three years and in budget. The Beijing–Shanghai high-speed railway which is 819 miles long. It even runs at a profit:

Beijing–Shanghai high-speed railway - Wikipedia

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Regulation in the UK is off the scale. Here the builders had to construct a £100 million bat tunnel:

Why does it cost £100m for HS2 to protect bats? - BBC News

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HELP is coming: