# Malibu's Million Dollar Trailer Park Burns To Ground **URL:** \ **Category:** Macro Economic Trends and Risks\ **Created:** [January 10, 2025, 10:35am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142 "2025-01-10T10:35:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![steve203](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/steve203/32/3302_2.png) [@steve203](https://discussion.fool.com/u/steve203)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 4:14pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/21 "2025-01-11T16:14:28Z")
> [@buynholdisdead](#): > > True, I did find out last night that there was one tank that fed Los Angeles that was empty though. Supposedly for repair. But they are still looking into it. Apparently, January is, historically, not peak fire season. Maintenance on facilities needs to be done. So, the maintenance was scheduled outside of peak fire season. Seems the media is trying really hard to make a story here. Steve ---
**Author:** ![buynholdisdead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/buynholdisdead/32/12874_2.png) [@buynholdisdead](https://discussion.fool.com/u/buynholdisdead)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 4:23pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/22 "2025-01-11T16:23:05Z")
> [@steve203](#): > > Apparently, January is, historically, not peak fire season. Maintenance on facilities needs to be done. So, the maintenance was scheduled outside of peak fire season. Seems the media is trying really hard to make a story here. I think it is good to get to the root cause. I don’t think any amount of water would have stopped this because copters and planes could not fly in the winds. Maintenance is always needed, things break. If they didn’t shut down the power lines, Why? When it gets really windy up in the mountains the Electrical Company here always shuts down the power lines. People scream about it, Maybe they don’t have enough political clout? ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 5:11pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/23 "2025-01-11T17:11:40Z")
> [@steve203](#): > > Apparently, January is, historically, not peak fire season. Maintenance on facilities needs to be done. So, the maintenance was scheduled outside of peak fire season. True, the Pacific Palisades reservoir was down for maintenance. The cover that keeps added chemicals from evaporating was torn and needed to be replaced. However, the very high winds and high risks were known days ahead of time. Water could have been pumped in ahead of time to partially fill the reservoir in case it would be needed – apparently some 10-15 million gallons. That was a planning failure, but the bigger one was the power in the hill areas was not turned off. > **[Where and how did the Palisades Fire start?](https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2025/01/where-and-how-did-palisades-fire-start.html)** > > This blog provides updated forecasts and comments on current weather or other topics _We know that the fire started around 10:30 AM on Tuesday. The GOES visible satellite image at that time is shown below and you can see the smoke plume from a single fire._ ![Screenshot 2025-01-11 at 11.06.07 AM](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/original/3X/8/8/886d1e1cec6aa0b231322d318b3cda9ea7f1ea07.jpeg) _Using Google Maps we can easily identify that spot, just east of the Summit Community…What do we find at the location where the fire started? Power lines. Hung on wood structures._ ![Screenshot 2025-01-11 at 11.08.51 AM](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/original/3X/f/3/f3b4a35cc647415a54aa4a97d0e1f90740d806b8.png) _There is other evidence. The wonderful [Ting power sensor](https://www.tingfire.com/) network noted disturbances in the electrical power system in the neighborhood just prior to the fire._ _The big question is why the Los Angeles power authorities did not de-energize all the power lines on the hills._ DB2 ---
**Author:** ![Tamhas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/tamhas/32/4672_2.png) [@Tamhas](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Tamhas)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 5:22pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/24 "2025-01-11T17:22:05Z")
> [@mostlylong](#): > > Why do Floridians allow a gov-run property insurer? Shouldn’t the free market handle this? The free market used to handle it, but then insurance companies started not offering coverage in risky areas or charging so much that many people could not afford it. If they have a mortgage, having insurance is a requirement, so, what should they do if no one offers it or offers it at an unaffordable price? Answer: the government steps in … not a great solution, but what else? ---
**Author:** ![jerryab2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/jerryab2/32/3274_2.png) [@jerryab2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/jerryab2)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 5:24pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/25 "2025-01-11T17:24:01Z")
> [@buynholdisdead](#): > > [State to probe why Pacific Palisades reservoir was offline, empty when firestorm exploded](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flames-raged-in-palisades-a-key-reservoir-nearby-was-offline) Hey !! The fire reads the paper and gets _real_ news as a result. And planned accordingly. Some did NOT. ---
**Author:** ![buynholdisdead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/buynholdisdead/32/12874_2.png) [@buynholdisdead](https://discussion.fool.com/u/buynholdisdead)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 5:27pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/26 "2025-01-11T17:27:36Z")
> [@DrBob2](#): > > The big question is why the Los Angeles power authorities did not de-energize all the power lines on the hills. You mean Southern California Edison(Edison International) . Let’s not forget the power isn’t provided by the government because that would be wrong. It is provided by a public company. ---
**Author:** ![steve203](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/steve203/32/3302_2.png) [@steve203](https://discussion.fool.com/u/steve203)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 5:50pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/27 "2025-01-11T17:50:48Z")
> [@buynholdisdead](#): > > You mean Southern California Edison(Edison International) . Would a power cutoff call be made by Edison, or by the System Administrator? > **[California Independent System Operator](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Independent_System_Operator)** > > The California Independent System Operator (CAISO) is a non-profit Independent System Operator (ISO) serving California. It oversees the operation of California's bulk electric power system, transmission lines, and electricity market generated and transmitted by its member utilities. CAISO is one of the largest ISOs in the world, delivering 300 million megawatt-hours of electricity each year and managing about 80% of California's electric flow. > The California Legislature created CAISO in 1998... ---
**Author:** ![buynholdisdead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/buynholdisdead/32/12874_2.png) [@buynholdisdead](https://discussion.fool.com/u/buynholdisdead)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 6:04pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/28 "2025-01-11T18:04:48Z")
> [@steve203](#): > > Would a power cutoff call be made by Edison, or by the System Administrator? In my area it is done by the Electric Company otherwise they would blame the government for not doing their job. The way it goes is government gets no credit but gets all the blame. I suspect Southern California Edison, if their power lines were the cause of the fire, are going to have a very large bill to pay. ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 6:13pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/29 "2025-01-11T18:13:31Z")
> [@buynholdisdead](#): > > You mean Southern California Edison. Yes, but don’t forget the LADWP. > **[Los Angeles Department of Water and Power](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Department_of_Water_and_Power)** > > The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power (LADWP) is the largest municipal utility in the United States with 8,100 megawatts of electric generating capacity (2021–2022) and delivering an average of 435 million gallons of water per day (487,000 acre-ft per year) to more than four million residents and local businesses in the City of Los Angeles and several adjacent cities and communities in southwestern Los Angeles County, California. > It was founded in 1902 to supply water to residents and bu... > [@buynholdisdead](#): > > I suspect Southern California Edison, if their power lines were the cause of the fire, are going to have a very large bill to pay. I’m old enough to remember when PG&E (Northern California) had to declare bankruptcy. SoCal Edison may travel the same road. Don’t know about LADWP. DB2 ---
**Author:** ![steve203](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/steve203/32/3302_2.png) [@steve203](https://discussion.fool.com/u/steve203)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 6:15pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/30 "2025-01-11T18:15:59Z")
> [@buynholdisdead](#): > > In my area it is done by the Electric Company otherwise they would blame the government for not doing their job. From the Cal PUC: _In 2012, the CPUC ruled that California Public Utilities Code Sections 451 and 399.2(a) give the electric IOUs authority to shut off the electric power to protect public safety. This allows the electric IOUs (San Diego Gas & Electric, Pacific Gas and Electric, Southern California Edison, Liberty Utilities, Bear Valley Electric Service, and PacifiCorp) to shut off power to prevent catastrophic wildfires when strong winds, heat events, and related conditions are present._ > **[Public Safety Power Shutoffs](https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/psps/)** > > Utilities may temporarily turn off power to specific areas to reduce the risk of fires caused by electric infrastructure. This action is called a Public Safety Power Shutoff (PSPS). That is consistent with what I remember about people howling when PG&E cut off their power proactively, during high wind events. Steve ---
**Author:** ![buynholdisdead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/buynholdisdead/32/12874_2.png) [@buynholdisdead](https://discussion.fool.com/u/buynholdisdead)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 6:21pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/31 "2025-01-11T18:21:22Z")
> [@DrBob2](#): > > Yes, but don’t forget the LADWP. They do not serve the Palisades though. So did any of LADWP areas burn? From what I can find out the LADWP only serves the City of Los Angeles. ---
**Author:** ![buynholdisdead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/buynholdisdead/32/12874_2.png) [@buynholdisdead](https://discussion.fool.com/u/buynholdisdead)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 6:22pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/32 "2025-01-11T18:22:52Z")
> [@steve203](#): > > This allows the electric IOUs That tells me they can make their own decisions. ---
**Author:** ![flyerboys](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/flyerboys/32/2123_2.png) [@flyerboys](https://discussion.fool.com/u/flyerboys)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 6:26pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/33 "2025-01-11T18:26:51Z")
Infrastructure, _infrastructure_, **infrastructure** is crucial and underplanned, undervalued, under ever greater stress. And we aint gonna pay and so we are going to endure ever greater catastrophes until we reform our politics. We do not have the time, nor patience, nor even the public education to do that. So, we ARE gonna pay, and big time. d fb ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 6:36pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/34 "2025-01-11T18:36:50Z")
> [@buynholdisdead](#): > > They do not serve the Palisades though. Indeed they do. Pacific Palisades is a neighborhood of Los Angeles and is serviced by the LADPW. Check out this map which shows the outages in their territory which extends almost up to Santa Clarita and out to Simi Valley. > **[Power Outage Map](https://www.ladwp.com/outages/power-outage-map)** > > View Power Outage Map > [@buynholdisdead](#): > > Let’s not forget the power isn’t provided by the government because that would be wrong. Well, Los Angeles has been wrong before. DB2 ---
**Author:** ![buynholdisdead](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/buynholdisdead/32/12874_2.png) [@buynholdisdead](https://discussion.fool.com/u/buynholdisdead)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 7:41pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/35 "2025-01-11T19:41:37Z")
> [@DrBob2](#): > > Indeed they do. Pacific Palisades is a neighborhood of Los Angeles and is serviced by the LADPW. Check out this map which shows the outages in their territory which extends almost up to Santa Clarita and out to Simi Valley. It looks like it might be in both of their areas. > **[Electrical Construction Helper](https://www.edisoncareers.com/electrical-construction-helper/)** > > A great start and a great job with an overwhelming sense of service; That’s what’s in store for you as an Electrical Construction Helper with SCE. It started outside SCE’s area The most notable current events are the Palisades, Eaton and Hurst fires. The Palisades Fire began Tuesday morning; the reported area of origin is not in Southern California Edison’s service area. The Eaton Fire began Tuesday afternoon in SCE’s service area. SCE has transmission facilities on the east side of Eaton Canyon. SCE’s distribution lines immediately to the west of Eaton Canyon were de-energized well before the reported start time of the fire, as part of SCE’s Public Safety Power Shutoff (PSPS) program. SCE is currently conducting a review of the event. The Hurst Fire began late Tuesday evening. While the reported ignition site is within the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power’s service area, SCE has transmission facilities near the reported ignition site, and the company is currently conducting a review of the event. > **[Edison International Provides Update on Southern California Wildfires and SCE...](https://newsroom.edison.com/releases/edison-international-provides-update-on-southern-california-wildfires-and-sce-power-outages)** > > Investor Relations: Sam Ramraj, (626) 302-2540 Media Relations: (626) 302-2255 News@sce.com ROSEMEAD, Calif., Jan. 08, 2025 — Extreme ... ---
**Author:** ![Leap1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/leap1/32/72176_2.png) [@Leap1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Leap1)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 4:42am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/36 "2025-01-12T04:42:09Z")
> [@buynholdisdead](#): > > government because that would be wrong. It is provided by a public company. I know Bob missed the point. Just helping Bob. ---
**Author:** ![ptheland](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/ptheland/32/3459_2.png) [@ptheland](https://discussion.fool.com/u/ptheland)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 5:27am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/37 "2025-01-12T05:27:57Z")
> [@buynholdisdead](#): > > You mean Southern California Edison(Edison International) . The city of Los Angeles has its own power utility, LADWP, which is separate from Southern California Edison. It’s not a bright line at the city limits - nothing is every really that clean. And I’m sure there are interconnections between the two. I’m not going to look up exactly who serves which area, but its pretty likely that the DWP serves some of the fire areas. In terms of power shut offs during high winds, the two utilities have different underlying motivations. SCE is going to lean towards protecting its shareholders and cut power earlier. DWP is probably going to lean towards keeping the service on. There are technical issues involved with shedding load in this situation. Mainly, you have to be able to cut production to match the lower load. That’s easier to do in a larger utility like SCE than it is in a smaller one like LADWP. —Peter ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 11:17am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/38 "2025-01-12T11:17:03Z")
> [@Leap1](#): > > I know Bob missed the point. No, I was just trying to point out that buyandhold had his facts wrong about electrical utilities in the LA area, and so his sarcastic comment went awry. DB2 ---
**Author:** ![Leap1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/leap1/32/72176_2.png) [@Leap1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Leap1)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 1:14pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/39 "2025-01-12T13:14:04Z")
Bob, You are not comprehending things. The supply lines are the problem. The main wires that supply electricity to Los Angeles include the Pacific DC Intertie, the Boulder-LA Transmission lines, and the Scattergood-Olympic Cable A Transmission Project: - **Pacific DC Intertie** This high voltage direct current (HVDC) line transmits electricity from the Pacific Northwest to the Los Angeles area. It originates near the Columbia River in Oregon and connects to the Sylmar Converter Station north of Los Angeles. - **Boulder-LA Transmission lines** Built between 1933 and 1936, these lines carried 287,000-volt conductors from the Boulder power plant to El Cajon Pass, and then to Los Angeles. - **Scattergood-Olympic Cable A Transmission Project** This 11.4-mile underground line starts in West Los Angeles and connects to the larger high-transmission grid throughout the city. The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power (LADWP) also operates four natural gas-fired generating stations within the city, and the Castaic Power Plant, a pumped storage facility. ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2025, 1:34pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142/40 "2025-01-12T13:34:09Z")
> [@Leap1](#): > > The supply lines are the problem. Leap, I am not comprehending you. Are you saying that the power lines from the Colorado River started the Palisades fire??? DB2 [Previous page](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142.md?page=1) [Next page](https://discussion.fool.com/t/malibus-million-dollar-trailer-park-burns-to-ground/112142.md?page=3)