More EV Battery Improvement

2 weeks ago I posted about a new EV battery that can be charged in 10 minutes.
https://discussion.fool.com/new-ev-battery-game-changer-35130663…

Today I see that a Chinese EV battery maker has unveiled a new battery technology that it claims can deliver more than 620 miles of driving range.
https://www.businessinsider.com/catl-electric-car-battery-lo…
The article does not say what the components of the battery.

Speaking of components the 10 minute charging battery is Silicon-Lithium.
Lithium-Silicon Vs. Lithium-Ion
If you’re wondering what’s wrong with today’s generation of lithium-ion EV batteries, the short answer is: nothing. However, shuttling large numbers of EVs through public charging stations is going to be a challenge once millions of new EVs hit the road. Adding more charging stations is only part of the solution. Shortening the charging time while increasing range is the other part, and silicon could fit the bill.
“Silicon has long been appealing for use as a material in lithium-ion battery anodes, because its energy capacity is up to 10 times that of the commonly used material, graphite—leading to lithium-ion batteries with 20 to 40 percent higher energy density,” PNNL explains.
There being no such thing as a free lunch, there is a problem. Silicon anodes expand almost 300% during the charging process, when lithium ions crowd in. When the battery discharges, the lithium ions make an exit, leaving the silicon anode to wither back down to its original size.

As a result of the stress, the anode eventually cracks and disintegrates, with a consequent impact on battery life.

Earlier iterations of new lithium-silicon technology managed to work around the problem, but then cost factors in as an obstacle.

PNNL has developed a low cost solution based on a coating of carbon. Carbon also factors into the Group14 solution.

I’m simply amazed how fast battery technology is happening! A year ago an EV wouldn’t be in my future. Now, once they can make an EV at the same price of a Toyota Corolla IC car; well that is a different story. Looking at the present situation, that appears to be at least 3 years away. But like battery technology; that can change.

In my case, as I usually buy used vehicles* I would be interested in a used EV with the new battery technology, so that may be 4 or 5 years down the road.

*I would wait and find 4-5 year old vehicle with not many miles & then drive them into the ground. Those used vehicles last longer with each successive purchase as the number of miles I drive diminish as I age.

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We usually buy new cars, and drive them for 8-10 years. Currently our oldest car is a 2016 Honda Odyssey, so about 2+ more years before we are in the market for another car. Hopefully we find a suitable EV when we’re ready.

The pace of battery technology makes me wonder if buying an EV today is a good idea versus leasing an EV. Is it better to lock-in a future value for the car in 36 months than gamble if new technology means nobody wants your old EV?

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“The pace of battery technology makes me wonder if buying an EV today is a good idea versus leasing an EV. Is it better to lock-in a future value for the car in 36 months than gamble if new technology means nobody wants your old EV?”

With the current 9% annual inflation, you’ll likely get much of your money back after 3 years - in depreciated dollars. Someone will buy a 3 year old EVs. People still buy 3 and 5 and 7 year old Nissan Leafs and Chevy Volts …

BTW…my 14 year old 2007 Prius Hybrid decided it was going to have a ‘dead main battery’…Terminal. Turns out the majority of them die after 12-14 years. Mileage sort of irrelevant. Just age. It was 14 years to the month. It’s an $1800 battery replacement and a thousand in labor to do it at the Toyota dealer. Car is undriveable without having it fixed. NiMH battery, not lithium.

Likely many EV batteries will die at some point after 10 years. Depending upon the cost, your EV might be worth next to zero if it costs $25,000 for a new battery at that point. Maybe they’ll be an industry to rebuilt them at lower cost…but at some point, they are likely to be severely worn out and not useful for driving. We’ll see.

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There being no such thing as a free lunch…

And California is trying to insure it doesn’t stay free.

https://news.yahoo.com/california-approves-lithium-tax-despi…

JLC

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The pace of battery technology makes me wonder if buying an EV today is a good idea versus leasing an EV. Is it better to lock-in a future value for the car in 36 months than gamble if new technology means nobody wants your old EV?

Somebody will buy it. I mentioned in another thread my experience with buying a used 2013 Leaf as it came off lease. Right now, a similar 2103 Leaf costs about $2K than I paid in Jan 2017. Some of that is surely due to high used car prices in general. But there appears to be very little price discount for a car having an older battery.

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