Musk makes good copy

During Covid people had time on their hands to meditate. Meditation was a long growing practice globally anyway. Part of meditation is being good in relation to the world. Caring about people you thought you were at odds with in the pettiest of ways. Caring about the larger social issues hoping we all can solve matters like climate change…and a host of other things.

Mocking being woke is playing on people that do not know what it is or barely where it comes from and saying it is a joke.

In other words running for office as if solving problems is the wrong thing to do. Creating anger against “woke” and not explaining you get your campaign funding from big oil…

Meditation can also call it waking up. What it means is stepping back from the rush in life and the pettiness and the greed etc…and finding some value in yourself and your family and friends and how you live your life. To then attend to things in your life with far less of the oppressive nature of how your life had been.

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Just for the record, I do understand what certain people are trying to do with the words “being woke.”

However, when you need to explain a 2-word slogan, you’ve chosen ……… poorly.

“Being woke” is the dumbest 2-word slogan since “defund police.” And that one was really, really dumb.

I will continue to mock people who use “being woke.” When someone throws a fat pitch over the plate, I’m swinging.

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Also, I wonder what a master of playing with words, like George Carlin, would do with dumb slogans like ‘defund police’ and ‘being woke’.

Man, I miss George. Even on rare occasions when I disagreed with him, he made me laugh.

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Defund the police was a dumb slogan, because it isn’t what they wanted to actually accomplish. More like “put some police funds back into social services, where it makes sense to do”. But how do you say something like that in just 2-3 words? Same with “being woke”. Bad slogan? Maybe. But what they are trying to say is valid.

So you can continue to just mock people. Or try to figure out what they are trying to say and accomplish.

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WOKE is a bad leftist!

The Captain

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My understanding is that the words ‘being woke’ is away for some people to mock other people who believe in addressing societal issues, mostly racial and social justice. If you think there is another “valid” explanation, I’d be happy to hear it.

I enjoy engaging with people who have different thoughts about matters and are willing to both talk AND listen. However, my experience with radicals (at both extremes) is that they do neither and engaging them is a waste of time. For example, I have yet to meet a white supremacist who would qualify as “good people.” But that’s just me.

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I sometimes ask people exactly what they mean by “woke.” I’ve never heard the same explanation twice. People are sure being woke is bad, even if they don’t really know what it is. For example, some people like Elon Musk. So anyone who boos Musk must be woke, and therefore bad and can be dismissed.

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We live in a society where ghost walking through the gift of life is a norm. Being woke, which I assume has something to do with self-improvement based on self-awareness of your impact on the lives of others, strikes me as a preferable way of living.

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One has to distinguish between the origin and the application.

Christianity had a bout of inquisition and witch burning
Civil rights devolved into quotas and reverse discrimination
Similar happened to WOKE

That’s the reality behind the saying, “The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.”

The Captain

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That’s the key here. As far as I can tell, the term woke is mainly used as a derogatory term. It has become an insult used by the political right against anyone working on social justice issues - racism, sexism, and similar.

I have not heard those working for social justice call themselves “woke”. At least not recently, not in the last several years.

So when I see or hear “woke”, I react the same way I would react to any other insult.

—Peter

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The term Woke is a way for the far right to silence and censor people from talking. It’s the far right’s way of stomping out free speech.

Andy

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Musk can think anything he wants. When people don’t buy a product from a company I hold shares in because the boss ticks them off (for any reason), I wish he would keep his opinions to himself. At some point, losing my money over his comments causes me to lose interest in investing in the company which he is associated with. This is not a comment on his projected opinions, but rather on the financial ramifications as it affects me.

Jeff

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I caught a piece on youtube earlier today, that includes an official definition of “woke”.

Background. A state prosecutor signed a pledge that he would use his prosecutorial discretion to not prosecute people under state laws that purport to criminalize abortion or gender reassignment therapy. The Governor suspended the prosecutor, without pay, saying the prosecutor was “woke”. The prosecutor sued.

The case is now before a judge. The judge asked representatives of the Gov, what “woke” meant. Here is the official word, as stated by government representatives, in open court.

Taryn Fenske, (the Governor’s) Communications Director said “woke” was a “slang term for activism…progressive activism” and a general belief in systemic injustices in the country.

Asked what “woke” means more generally, [Governor’s General Counsel Ryan] Newman said “it would be the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them.”

Newman added that (the Governor) doesn’t believe there are systemic injustices in the U.S. He also emphasized he believed Warren’s “wokeism” led him to sign the pledge not to prosecute abortion crimes, the primary factor that led to his suspension.

So there you have it. If you think there are systemic injustices in Shiny-land: injustices in opportunity, injustices in treatment by the law, injustices in treatment in the workplace, and you think something should be done about it, you are guilty of the thought crime of being “woke”.

Steve…plenty of links about this, but they name political names.

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Jeff the more that Musk tweets the cheaper the stock gets. There is nothing wrong with the company but it sure makes the current investors nervous. As for me, who has been looking to buy in, every tweet he puts out is music to my ears. I think I will just start buying and keep buying every 10 percent more it drops.

Andy

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and ‘far right’ is a label for bad people. :imp:

The Captain

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As a financial proposition I agree. As an existential proposition I suggest people go live under dictatorship for a few years.

The Captain

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That is how I see it but adding the time dimension the second definition was how the term originated and is clearly very well intentioned.

The first definition is the reaction to the unfair methods used to try implement the original good intentions, quota systems, sidelining dissenters, and shadow banning, for example.

WOKE is a bad leftist.

The Captain

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That was never true. Fox designed their reporting of “woke” against a backdrop of Black Lives Matter protests. The protesters were not claiming woke.

Meaning it is waking up in meditation. Fox used the poor grammar to fictitiously mock African Americans.

That is the level of genius at Fox.

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What nonsense.

The boss is free to espouse any Sleepy rightist view they want, but I am “bad” if I decide to not spend my money with the boss because of their view. And your solution is that I should live under a dictatorship to teach me how bad it is to freely express my views?

And yet you’re OK with Sleepy rightists using government power and resources to financially punish a corporation that expresses different views than Sleepy rightists support.

Or having Sleepy rightists forcing everyone to adhere to Sleepy rightist’s religious views.

Apparently, when you’re a Sleepy rightist, dictatorship isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.

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