Saul,
I have read several times that you bought in and out of a stock… Like MDB. Have you ever analyzed how you would have fared had you stuck with your original purchases? I am not talking about when you get out all together, like with Sketchers, but when you vacillate on a holding.
Gordon
It is always possible in theory to be more perfect … but one works without hindsight and with the whims of the market, so second guessing is an exercise in futility.
Tamhas,
My question is not about having second sight, or even second guessing yourself. It does have to do with psychology, however. If after trading In and out of thesame stocks numerous times, but find you would have been better off staying with your first inclination, than perhaps you will have learned something.
I try to learn something from each of my trades. Self analysis can be a good thing.
Saul - first thank you so much for your post. I am learning a lot. I mistakenly have known about this board for about 6 years and have not pulled the trigger on reading the knowledgebase til now. I was too focussed on trading which takes up too much time and I am not successful at it. Had I followed the recommendations here, I would be much richer. Live and learn. I hope you are around for many more years for us all to learn more.
Saul/brittlerock
But it is these relative decisions that set us apart. Let me explain. During my career I watched two database products dominate the industry. First, the IBM product, IMS DB/TP (that translates to Information Management System Database/Teleprocessing). IMS was not the only database product
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Why am I relating all this history? In a word, Mongo.
I want place an addendum here and say I believe you are both correct in the potential success of Mongo but for other reasons.
I work in Software Engineering and have done so for 20+ years. I started coding large enterprise systems in Java and over the years have learned lots of different languages (JavaScript, Scala, Kotlin etc.) and now lead teams of engineerings on high throughput, low latency, critical systems.
My experience of Mongo as a company (10Gen a few years ago) has been appalling - they tried to modify our NDA during evaluation stage to take any IP of new products they discovered while working with us and removed any of our rights to those products. It leaves a bitter taste still.
At the same time, there was an explosion by an anonymous blog post stating everything wrong with MongoDB including cascading failures, faulty data integrity (transactions reporting as completed when they weren’t) etc. All 10Gen’s CTO could say was “what are the support ticket numbers?” A pathetic response, at best. For those of you that don’t know, data integrity is key in any system. Without it, we just get the wrong answers and tracking down WHY is extremely difficult.
Now let’s turn to today. Mongo are going gangbusters. They now have transactions spanning clusters and I have found on their own JIRA board with just a few seconds of searching a couple of bugs submitted saying it is terrible at best.
BUT
this does not matter.
IMO, IT execs look at features such as cloud agnostic, Atlas, full text search and any other products that will get them up and running quickly for a fast route to market/solution to their issues. They want to alleviate their pain quickly.
If the Mongo issues I described emerge, by that point there is a general consensus in the company of “the engineers have to fix it” and the Mongo contract has already been signed.
They clearly have a fantastic sales arm and product strategy. From an engineer’s POV, their tech execution leaves us wanting.
The sales decision is disjoined from the production performance of the system the Mongo products are used in but it doesn’t matter.
The metrics say it all and I plan on opening a position in Mongo too.
Thanks again for everyone’s contributions.
Much appreciated.
Point being that I perceive Saul as someone who isn’t likely to worry about things like that. He makes buy and sell decisions based on what seems right at the time. Occasionally, he may go in and out and in again, but not often and always because it seems like the right thing to do at the time. Even if it turns out that staying in the whole time would have been a good thing, one would have to compare it with what was done with the money while he was out, which easily could have been better yet. And, supposing on some particular occasion it would have been better to stay in, changing that would require changing the rules of how he makes decisions about in or out … rules that have been working pretty d**m well up to now.
To be sure, less experienced investors might well learn a lesson or two about being less jumpy, but Saul? 
Saul, Congrats !! keep inspiring and helping the community here. I am a newbie. Could not find the announcements panel to read the knowledge base. Could you please share the link or screenshot?
Thanks,
Look to the right side of this page------------------------------------------> for knowledge base
Datadog just started the last day of Sept, and it is now a 12.3% position, and my third largest, in just a month. I can’t remember ever building a position as quickly as that, except perhaps Alteryx, almost two years ago.
Hi Saul,
I have to wonder why such a large position in DDOG. I look at the following as negatives:
no real evidence of moving toward profitability: last 10 quarters of operating margin (oldest to recent):
-3%, -7%, -1%, -2%, -1%, 0%, -9%, -11%, -14%, -4%. These numbers are not horrible but they have been moving in the wrong direction for the 4 quarters.
DDOG seems really expensive compared to other companies. EV/Sales is 37 which is almost twice as high as AYX and considerably higher than CRWD even though CRWD is growing faster with slightly higher gross margins.
I think people pay attention when you take a huge position quickly. If I recall your Alteryx purchases correctly, I don’t recall you buying in that much (pretty it grew into a larger position through appreciation). I have a tiny 1% position in DDOG but it seems really expensive compared to our alternatives. I’d love to hear what is it about DDOG that you like so much. I think you must think that growth will remain really high for a while. Thanks.
Chris
If I recall your Alteryx purchases correctly, I don’t recall you buying in that much (pretty it grew into a larger position through appreciation).
That happens not to be correct. In Saul’s month-end summary for December 2017, the first one where he owned Alteryx, it was a 12.1% position.
Whoa…
As a real estate developer with only basic knowledge of the engineering concepts that are often discussed on this board, I must say that I come away from Hyperion’s reply to this post a bit confused.
Hyperion; when somebody of your background and experience posts on this message board, I tend to listen closely, try to learn something and then weigh the opinions of educated and experienced professional such as yourself when evaluating my holdings (i.e. Mongo).
I am wondering if I have the correct take-away from your post. It seems to me as if you are saying:
However,
Is that really the thesis in a nutshell? Or, am I missing something?
Harley
Hyperion may want to talk about the timeframe when all this happened. I know MDB had a shaky start and bad reputation years ago but they have turned their image around.
- Your experience with Mongo was appalling,
- You worked with Mongo on a professional level and was left with a bitter taste in your mouth
- You are aware of other engineers that have posted horrible things about Mongo on various tech-boards,
However,
- all of this does not matter to you because Mongo has a really slick sales team,
- the customer wants to be up and running quickly and Mongo can give deliver customers an inferior product that gets them there,
- then, once the proverbial poo hits the fan; Mongo is out and dumps all the bugs and issues on the customers’ engineers
- But, your going to overlook all of that because the “metrics say it all”
Hi Harley,
It may be unfair, but I read that as a disguised post from someone who is short Mongo, and trying to drive the price down.
Saul
I think hyperion summed up his view of Mongo as an investment in this line:
The metrics say it all and I plan on opening a position in Mongo too.
Hi Chris,
I wrote up Datadog, and why I was investing in it, a couple of weeks ago. Perhaps you missed it.
https://discussion.fool.com/datadog-ddog-thoughts-and-purchases-…
I think it answers why I’m investing in it very well.
Best,
Saul
I think it answers why I’m investing in it very well.
It does, Saul, but Chris didn’t ask why you were investing in DDOG. He asked why it was already a top position for you. I have to admit, I’m curious about the same thing. The market seems to be giving DDOG the “new kid” premium. Its market cap is within 10% of CRWD’s, but CRWD has 25% more revenue already and is growing faster.
So to restate Chris’s question: I know you like CRWD and have added to it too. Why do you like DDOG even more? (I’m assuming you do since the position is bigger.)
Bear
Hi Harley,
It may be unfair, but I read that as a disguised post from someone who is short Mongo, and trying to drive the price down.
Saul
Hi Saul,
Why do you think his posting here would have any impact on the market price of a $7.2b market cap firm that trades $200m shares a day?
Naj
Saul never said posting here would have any impact. He interpreted the post as someone trying to have an impact. Big difference.
Sorry Bear, I just can’t say why I have more in Datadog, but I do have more confidence in it (although I have added recently to Crowd).
I realize that what I wrote explains why I bought it but not why I like it more than some other company. I guess I’ve just read a lot about it, and it seems to me to be one of the best of the best. I can be very wrong, but obviously I don’t think so.
Okay, obviously I don’t understand the technology, but I understand a company that is pleasing its customers, is growing very rapidly, has easy to install, easy to sell, and well integrated products (with new ones being introduced), has almost all its revenue on subscription and recurring, has a net retention rate of 146% (which is about as high as it gets), is not burning cash, etc. What more could I ask for? Granted, it’s not cheap (why would you expect it to be cheap?)… I’ll take it.
I’d advise reading Bert’s article, Alex Clayton’s take, TMF Cheeseheads anti-fragility test, the Fool’s take on it, etc. I just feel that it is a Best in Class choice. We’ll see.
Saul
Hyperion,
Slow to catch up on new posts in this thread. Sorry about that.
I found your post interesting, yet familiar. Interesting in that I retired 10 years ago. I make little effort to KUTD on developments that would be known to internal development teams, but maybe not broadly known to the investment community. But you’re post reads just like the Oracle story.
Our development teams frequently found bugs in the Oracle code. I managed the database standards group and they were constantly investigating bugs (was it really an Oracle bug or flawed code?). In that we were a very big shop and an important customer, we had Oracle reps who were virtual residents (my recollection is that Oracle did not actually have dedicated resident support people for each customer like IBM, or at least not for our shop - I could be mistaken, it was a while ago). In any case, we were in near daily conversations with Oracle support. We uncovered a lot of bugs for them. As I mentioned in my previous post on this thread, we lived with it. We were always careful about adopting new functionality in the most recent release of Oracle as experience had proven that the new stuff was often pretty flaky. Stuff that worked adequately for a smaller implementation would break under the stress of our volumes and transaction rates.
But, in the end, we were with few exceptions an Oracle shop. That was true for more than 20 years up until I retired. At that time, there was a serious re-evaluation of our primary RDBMS technology. SQL-Server was getting a lot of attention. I don’t know if there was a standards revision and a migration or not.
In any case, so far as I can see, Mongo is the Oracle. They will rule the no-SQL space for many years to come. And the no-SQL use cases are rapidly expanding. I doubt that no-SQL will displace all the SQL-RDBMSs out there. There are far too many use cases that are ideally suited to relational technology. But in my estimation, most all of them have already been implemented.
Hi All, sorry for the slow response. I’ll reply to each comment.
Hyperion,
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In any case, so far as I can see, Mongo is the Oracle. They will rule the no-SQL space for many years to come. And the no-SQL use cases are rapidly expanding. I doubt that no-SQL will displace all the SQL-RDBMSs out there. There are far too many use cases that are ideally suited to relational technology. But in my estimation, most all of them have already been implemented.
Yes, that is exactly my view too.
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Is that really the thesis in a nutshell? Or, am I missing something?
Harley
Yes, I can see how you would think that. My apologies.
This was quite a few years ago (2011 to be precise). Mongo has clearly advanced its software but keep in mind brittlerock’s comments, above, which I believe hit the nail on the head.
Hyperion may want to talk about the timeframe when all this happened. I know MDB had a shaky start and bad reputation years ago but they have turned their image around.
Bang on - it was 2011-2012. Sorry for leaving that out. I guess it still pees me off!
Hi Harley,
It may be unfair, but I read that as a disguised post from someone who is short Mongo, and trying to drive the price down.
Saul
Nope - long. 3% position.