NTNX-Deferred Revenue

Nutanix does a lot of big deals and a lot of long term deals. Typical is 3 years also do 5 and even some 1 year deals. They say average subscription deal is 3.6 years.

This has been exploding their deferred revenue, which gives them long term health.

Fiscal year

Q4 17 $369M
Q1 18 $409M
Q2 18 $478M
Q3 18 $540M
Q4 18 $631M
Q1 19 $702M

Growth rate of deferred revenue yoy

Q1 18 +48%
Q2 18 +57%
Q3 18 +63%
Q4 18 +71%
Q1 19 +72%

Any interpretations for that. I’m not sure there is a company to compare that too. I would think that long term this helps makes it easier to maintain growth rates for a longer period. Good for after this accounting/business model transition plays out?

Or who cares? Next quarter they are guiding for closer to 40% Billings growth. From 50. And revenue growth just under 40. But management says they expect that to moderate and reaccelerate next year.

Darth

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They ar moving to a software subscription revenue model that generates more deferred revenue, than non-portable software sales, that has no deferred revenue.

This is shown on page 30 of the slides.

https://s21.q4cdn.com/380967694/files/doc_financials/2019/Q1…

Non portable software sales are growing at a very slow pace, and generating no deferred revenue.

Meanwhile software subscriptions are growing 100% year over year and generating basically all the deferred revenue. The move from one time software licenses to cloud subscriptions is the reason for the increase in deferred revenue.

The large growth in deferred revenue is not a signal of strength but just a result of change in their business model.

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They ar moving to a software subscription revenue model that generates more deferred revenue, than non-portable software sales, that has no deferred revenue.

Exactly the point. Deferred revenue is great and holy cow they have a lot of it and are accumulating it at a rate rarely seen if ever seen. Most software companies build up deferred revenue at various points in the year and then it draws down over several quarters as its recognized. Maybe it slowly moves higher over time. AYX is the one of the only comparables but not by a long shot.

NTNX deferred revenue has grown 6.3x in 3 years. AYX about the closest I found of the 5 or so SaaS companies I looked at grew deferred revenue 2.8x over same period.

I may not have a firm grasp on HCI other than it makes a bunch of different IT work like it’s one IT. But does it not say something that your customers subscribe to your product for an average of 3.6 years and pay up front for that at such a high rate.

They have been selling their software whether it was the core or the various add ons or stand alone software as a subscription for quit some time.

The first monetization of our software and the initiation of our recurring subscription business actually began when we first started shipping appliances in late 2011, early 2012 with customers, engaging in subscription-based software and support – software and support entitlement contracts, basically recognizing the value of receiving continued software enhancements on an ongoing basis.

In 2014 and 2015, we began selling stand-alone software including software and support entitlements to our OEM partners,

Talking about it 2011 or 2014, before they were even public, would have been a case of yeah who cares, small base. But now they have a whole pile of pure SaaS products and are just this last quarter starting to transition the non subscription type licenses to subscription. The organic non cannibalizing growth has carried subscriptions into over half of Billings with subscription revenue growing not from a small base anymore at 104%.

If all of next quarters growth guidance (top because they’ll likely beat) is added to subscription revenue only. That’s $22M sequential added to $127M for $149M in subscription revenue. That would be 107% growth yoy(from $74M). Midpoint would yield 95%.

If the non portable SW revenue decreases as a result of transition to “new term” licensing, then whatever is recognized as revenue from that different billing license gets added to that subscription revenue and that component growth rate for subscription goes even higher than 95% or 107%. And the remainder of those billings grows deferred revenue even more.

For next quarter at least, 100% +/- 5% is pretty much the floor of what that component will grow yoy. Barring any unknowns like a huge miss or non portable software actually growing instead of flat or declining as expected.

Where the problem would lie is with what happened to Pivotal. In their Q1 subscription was growing at 70% while legacy was flat. With those numbers the thesis looked good that overall growth would pick up as subscription overtook the overall business. But then Q2 saw only 50% revenue growth in subscription. That 30% reduction in growth rate knee-capped the thesis. Maybe that was a one off but guidance didn’t support that either. PVTL guides to increase subscription from $0 to less than 1% subscription growth sequentially.

Not so with Nutanix at all.

Darth

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The large growth in deferred revenue is not a signal of strength but just a result of change in their business model.

Not so. Deferred revenue has been growing rapidly for years and has accelerated as a result of that business model also for years. That’s what that slide shows. Subscription has been a story for them for awhile but is only now being disclosed.

Yes it does show strength. A lot of future revenue has already been paid to them. Not only is that good for future revenue reports but it’s also fewer customers to take their business elsewhere.

I think that they are breaking out revenue and Billings this way now for three basic reasons.

  1. Subscription Billings just passed a milestone. >50% of total.
  2. First quarter where they are transitioning current customers and adding new customers to the new license terms. Was supposed to be next quarter but they did 110 new and existing customers a quarter early.
  3. They want to be known as a software company. This is how software companies breakout revenue streams.
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Yes, so I believe it can be said this transition can create a period of revenue growth slowing then escalate again say within a year from now.

Ntnx is being very transparent during this transition. There is no “100% growth in subscription revenue” years straight without giving the numbers like talend. I don’t follow pvtl so can’t relate to that. I try to stick with “top right magic quadrant” or dominant market share type companies and don’t know enough about pivotal to know if that’s what they are. In fact I was reluctant with ntnx for quite some time as they seem to be in a 2 horse race with Vmware but actually show in the lead despite all the advantages Vmware has. But Splunk also transitioned from a perpetual software license model to subscription and it saw revenue decellerate from 48% in 2015, 40% yoy in 2017, to 32% yoy in 2017 (the first year they made an effort to drive customers to Saas though the portion of Saas revenue was growing before that). This was a year SPLK stock traded sideway for the most part as revenue slowed, only to double over the past year as revenue growth began accekerating again, to 40% in its most recent quarter.

What I don’t know is if ntnx will have a bumpy ride during this transition. It runs the risk of disappointing revenues/forecasts if too many go to Saas at one time, causing a fall in stock price, which by all means will be a buying opportunity.

I do not see this as talend all over again. Ntnx is putting about as much information out there that anyone can ask for.

So I guess we’re all in agreement.

In other words this is what that slide shows.

As quarters go by Nutanix recognizes deferred revenue just like any software company. This works to decrease differed revenue on the balance sheet. What is significant about the slide is that they are getting so much new deferred revenue from billings each quarter that they NET a lot more deferred revenue than is used. And that NET is accelerating in spite of a higher and higher base. They added $71M(22% of revenues) to the pile. After taking out whatever was recognized as actual revenue.

I don’t see that lasting forever, but as you say deferred revenue is largely from subscriptions. A small amount comes from professional services. So as more new billings go to subscription more deferred comes in. So too does more deferred revenue get recognized each quarter. The NET is what to watch and right now and for short term at least it continues to grow.

Darth

Where the problem would lie is with what happened to Pivotal. In their Q1 subscription was growing at 70% while legacy was flat. With those numbers the thesis looked good that overall growth would pick up as subscription overtook the overall business. But then Q2 saw only 50% revenue growth in subscription. That 30% reduction in growth rate knee-capped the thesis. Maybe that was a one off but guidance didn’t support that either. PVTL guides to increase subscription from $0 to less than 1% subscription growth sequentially.

Not so with Nutanix at all.

Correct – they’re saying they can keep the mojo going. But so did Talend, until they had to admit they couldn’t. Talend was saying some grandiose things a couple quarters ago.

If they hit the 3B they’ve promised in fiscal 2021, NTNX will be a win. But I suggest really asking yourself how they will possibly do that, and how much they’re expecting their current successes to continue (even as they scale). I’m skeptical.

Bear

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Correct – they’re saying they can keep the mojo going. But so did Talend, until they had to admit they couldn’t. Talend was saying some grandiose things a couple quarters ago.

Talend is really more similar to TTD right now…and TTD is my highest conviction name at this point. However, TTD isn’t telling us the actual numbers, just like Talend didn’t. Nutanix, on the other hand, is giving us the information we need.

As to whether Nutanix or TTD for that matter will end up being good investments, that is TBD.

While I understand the reticence as a result of Talend’s massive decline, I don’t see them as comparable. And I believe we can see the “real” growth Nutanix has to offer not only in the current numbers, but with new innovations.

A.J.

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Why is it that NTNX has as many threads on here as all our other stocks combined?
I think the consensus is that it will trade sideways over the next 2 quarters as the deferred revenue and SAAS side of things become more clear.

I like them long term but I’ve got better options from now until July 2019. That’s my take, but they could always get bought out too.

Roach - that’s a fair comment but

  1. the new launches now offer nutanix the opportunity to break through this short term consensus with a positive surprise

  2. at the same time the massive deferrals and Low valuation also offer some protection on any weakness

A

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Why is it that NTNX has as many threads on here as all our other stocks combined?

Probably just because they released their earnings most recently.

I’m sure after Tuesday there will be plenty of MDB and PVTL threads after they announce

I meant MDB and ZS on Tuesday. PVTL doesn’t release earnings until a week later.