Some in Shiny-land think white, Christian, people being less than half the population is a threat to everything they value. I remember the national “news”, several years ago, reporting (shocking! ALARMING!!!) that white people, and Protestants, were both on trend to being less than half the population.
Steve
The Mathematics of race is all screwed up! Say a white and a black have an offspring, this new individual is not considered white but black! That makes no sense since he/she/it is 50/50. If you insist that the new individual be counted as black then in fact you are saying that black genes are more powerful than white genes. The black genes are superior, more powerful!
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The Nazis used a similar math with Jews vs. Gentiles admitting that Jewish genes were more powerful!
The Captain
I have archived a copy of this reply because more than likely it will be censored.
That is not true at all. Their literature said we were inferior rodents. Their “testing” proved it.
It is amazing how you get things so wrong.
I think this is demonstrably correct in the first idea and implicitly correct in the 2nd. Inadvertently, with the notion that any amount of black ancestry mixed with white makes one black, the old racist tainting the white race concept, paradoxically this persistent view argues for its opposite.
Pete
It’s a rewriting of history and a disregard of all past decisions on race. It even told me that the person really has no clear understanding of what has happened in the past or the 3/5th rule written into the Constitution. I am glad that the Fool is not deleting the post though because I think it is important for this mindset to be shown for exactly what it is. This is one reason we are unable to get past the issue of race.
I once had a discussion with a person that said the Civil war did not need to be fought because eventually the South would agree to get rid of slavery. When I asked him how long he would be willing to be a slave, his face went blank.
Andy
“The person” (The Captain) has not read the US Constitution and was not discussing politics but racism. Since you brought up the the 3/5th rule I looked it up:
Although the Constitution did not refer directly to slaves, it did not ignore them entirely. Article one, section two of the Constitution of the United States declared that any person who was not free would be counted as three-fifths of a free individual for the purposes of determining congressional representation. The “Three-Fifths Clause” thus increased the political power of slaveholding states. It did not, however, make any attempt to ensure that the interests of slaves would be represented in the government.
https://www.thirteen.org/wnet/slavery/experience/legal/docs2.html
The 3/5th rule is not about civil rights but about politics “increased the political power of slaveholding states.”
The Captain
It’s always been intertwined Captain. The 3/5th rule enshrined racism into the United States Constitution. Politics and racism has with stood the time in the United States. We actually have political candidates meeting with people that are avowed racist and people still support the candidate. It does nobody any good to deny that racism does not exist and the history of what it means to be considered black by having a drop of black blood.
Andy
I think you have an involuntary double negative up above. Racism does exist and my post was meant to ridicule the mathematics of racism. How the 3/5th snuck in there is beyond me. BTW, reverse racism, a.k.a. quota systems, does not solve racism.
I also would like to point out that the world does not end at the Rio Grande. The Spanish and Portuguese monarchies were very racist even beyond slavery. The Criollos (Spanish born in the colonies) got very wealthy and wanted to obtain the same noble privileges as their European cousins so they petitioned and bribed the King. But they had a problem, unlike the Pilgrims the Conquistadores didn’t bring women from the Old world and many Criollos had more than a drop of native and black blood in their veins. The Church kept the records and the Church was bribed to “improve the race” meaning to edit out non-white ancestors. These records accompanied the petitions to the King. More often than not there was “a little problem” and a new round of editing and bribery took place.
With the defeat of Napoleon and the weakening of the Spanish monarchy the Criollos changed tactics and opted for independence.
The establishment of the Supreme Caracas Junta following the forced deposition of Vicente Emparan as Captain General of the Captaincy General of Venezuela on 19 April 1810, marked the beginnings of the war.
As you can see from the above, racial maths applies the world over, it’s not an American exclusive. The difference is that LatAm has been much more successful in overcoming racism.
The Captain
An employer and all other institutions asks if you are male or female, a vet, disabled, a parent, and may other things. But once again race is given short shrift. Convenient nonsense is the reason.
I don’t think anyone said it was an American thing, they just said it existed even today. It always seemed a little strange that people needed to feel superior to someone else just based on their ethnicity or color of their skin.
Andy
I would like to hear how you would solve racism? How do you allow everyone to participate in a capitalist society?
Andy
Then why bring up my ignorance of the American Constitution?
:could not find scratch head Emoji: 
The Captain
Thanks for a great question!
I’ve said time and again that central planning does not work. For practical purposes federal laws are the equivalent of central planning, some more, some less. The Fed is totally 100% central planning and the cause of a number of economic disruptions. From my point of view the quota system is very much a central planning policy.
If discrimination cannot be ended by central planning it has to be fought on a distributed basis. How can that be done? By teaching proper morals and civics at a very early age.
To this day I remember that on arriving in Venezuela at age 6 I was told to be respectful to black people – in Hungary, where I grew up, I had never seen people other than white, if I did I didn’t notice. The first black person I saw was sunbathing on the deck of the immigrant ship that brought us from Marseille to NYC. I asked my mom, “He’s already tanned, why is he sunbathing?”
A couple of years later in school we were taught that we are all brothers and sisters. Logical as I tend to be I asked how a black girl in the class could be my sister! Sadly I don’t remember how that played but there were no mass shooting. Maybe the brothers and sisters metaphor was not the best for the occasion but the important thing is that they tried to teach the proper morals and civics at a very early age.
There are remnants of discrimination in Venezuela but integration was started by Simón Bolívar [Simón José Antonio de la Santísima Trinidad Bolívar y Palacios] during the wars of independence over 200 years ago. when he freed the slaves. Hugo Chavez tried to introduce discrimination but thankfully he failed.
Now compare that to current American state run schools. Being white is a sin! There are multiple genders, 17 or so. It’s not education, it’s central planning, brainwashing, and indoctrination.
The Captain
Negro Primero, one of the heroes of Venezuelan independence
https://www.google.com/search?q=negro+primero&newwindow=1&client=safari&rls=en&sxsrf=ALiCzsZ1eYSMpCTldOgkdMCCmOHWz8DeDQ:1670490296177&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi869Cl1en7AhUKfBoKHdmOCUQQ_AUoAXoECAIQAw&biw=1186&bih=564&dpr=2
Simón Bolivar was no saint, he was a man on a mission, to unify Americans against “Españoles y Canarios” during the wars of independence. I urge you to read the following essay from Brown University. “Pardo” is a synonym of black applied mainly to mixed black & white blood.
There were similar “utilitarian” moves in Europe to grant Jews citizenship in exchange for military service in the defense against Turkish Muslim aggression, at least in Hungary and Romania, around the 15th or 16th centuries.
However, such statements had a utilitarian motive and were not meant to encourage pardo liberty.
Yeah sure, sarcasm, as people preach the ten commandments the commandments are broken much faster by the preachers. It is a total lie to claim anyone has morals.
Central planning and a central bank are two completely different things. Not being able to differentiate the two is a failing not an opinion.
BTW take away the layers of government as much as possible and all we end up is reckless greed one of the “moral failings” which I think you are truly advocating and nothing else.
Also who orders this morality training? Or is it voluntary? Is it Jewish morality training or Christian? Yeah we can have another central government in no time.
We already have voluntary morality training. It is called flat out racism. Morality implies to doing the right thing but ends up being doing the wrong thing.
In Shiny-land today, that thinking is derided as “woke”. Were you taught that everyone is “a citizen of the world”? The “one worlders” have been a target of scorn, and fear-mongering, here, for decades. I think it is probably safe to say that, when a pol here says “traditional family values”, most understand that to mean, white, Christian, and straight, “values”. “Woke” and “CRS” are being used to frighten people, and are being outlawed, because Shiny-land is blatantly racist. Many parts becoming more racist with every turn of the calendar, and it is being cheered on by the “thought leaders” that seek to leverage it for personal gain.
Steve
I would have thought you knew that Captain, in fact I am surprised that you don’t. But when people write on these boards they write for everyone not just one person. Now everyone knows about the 3/5th rule.
Andy
That’s good!
The Captain
This is why I am surprised that you do not know about the 3/5th rule. You always write like you understand the United States system. But how could you if you do not understand what came before? Did you know about Tulsa Oklahoma? I thought I understood the history of the United States but never heard about the massacre. How is that possible? How could a whole country not know about the wiping out of a whole culture? As far as it being a sin to being white I have never felt that way. I always thought that being white gave me more privileges. But when you have these privileges, and then you are no longer allowed to have those privileges, because of the color of your skin, and must compete on your IQ and physical benefits. Well some people get angry because now they can’t compete.
Andy
Yes, it was in the news.The 3/5th rule is buried in a document.
I’m a layman observer not a researcher.
The Captain
