# Oh this is not good, very bad, very bad indeed **URL:** \ **Category:** Macro Economic Trends and Risks\ **Created:** [January 17, 2025, 12:58pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373 "2025-01-17T12:58:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![steve203](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/steve203/32/3302_2.png) [@steve203](https://discussion.fool.com/u/steve203)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 2:43pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/21 "2025-02-01T14:43:44Z")
> [@Leap1](#): > > So “woke” gets a pass? Apparently, “woke” is anything counter to “traditional American values”, like Washington chopping down a cherry tree. _“The Defense Intelligence Agency is working with the Department of Defense to fully implement all Executive Orders and Administration guidance in a timely manner,”_ _The affected events, per the memo, which is dated Jan. 28, 2025, include: Martin Luther King, Jr. Birthday, Black History Month, Women’s History Month, Holocaust Day and Days of Remembrance, Asian American Pacific Islander Heritage Month, Pride, Juneteenth, Women’s Equality Day, National Hispanic Heritage Month, National Disability Employment Awareness Month and National American Indian Heritage Month._ > **[Pentagon intelligence agency pauses events, activities related to MLK Day,...](https://abcnews.com/Politics/pentagon-intelligence-agency-pauses-events-activities-related-mlk/story?id=118244237)** > > In response to Donald Trump's order banning DEI initiatives, the DIA has paused special event programs and related events, including for Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Funny. I don’t see Saint Patrick’s Day on the list of banned observances. Steve ---
**Author:** ![Leap1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/leap1/32/72176_2.png) [@Leap1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Leap1)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 2:47pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/22 "2025-02-01T14:47:12Z")
You do not want to point that out. They will celebrate. Poking you in the eye on purpose. ---
**Author:** ![MataroPete](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/mataropete/32/16060_2.png) [@MataroPete](https://discussion.fool.com/u/MataroPete)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 4:20pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/23 "2025-02-01T16:20:50Z")
> [@steve203](#): > > Funny. I don’t see Saint Patrick’s Day on the list of banned observances. I’m just glad they didn’t touch Boxing Day or Oktoberfest. Pete ---
**Author:** ![rainphakir](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/rainphakir/32/1497_2.png) [@rainphakir](https://discussion.fool.com/u/rainphakir)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 4:39pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/24 "2025-02-01T16:39:09Z")
I propose we make June 14 a national day. 🥳 ralph ---
**Author:** ![steve203](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/steve203/32/3302_2.png) [@steve203](https://discussion.fool.com/u/steve203)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 4:42pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/25 "2025-02-01T16:42:52Z")
> [@rainphakir](#): > > I propose we make June 14 a national day. It already is: Flag Day. Steve ---
**Author:** ![rainphakir](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/rainphakir/32/1497_2.png) [@rainphakir](https://discussion.fool.com/u/rainphakir)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 4:54pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/26 "2025-02-01T16:54:19Z")
Oh! Get out of the way, Flag. There’s a new Don. 💯 ralph - sarcasm ---
**Author:** ![steve203](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/steve203/32/3302_2.png) [@steve203](https://discussion.fool.com/u/steve203)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2025, 5:12pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/27 "2025-02-01T17:12:01Z")
> [@rainphakir](#): > > Oh! > Get out of the way, Flag. > There’s a new Don. My dad was born on June 14th, so it is easy to remember. My aunt Pat was born on July 4th. My maternal grandfather died on Christmas Day. Steve ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2025, 11:36am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/28 "2025-02-02T11:36:23Z")
> [@steve203](#): > > Wow! It’s a good thing oil refineries never, ever, explode and burn. They do, but since they’re not disappearing we now have **both** refineries and giant batteries exploding and burning. DB2 ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 12:08pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/29 "2025-02-21T12:08:57Z")
> **[Fire reignites at Moss Landing lithium battery storage facility; residents...](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/moss-landing-lithium-battery-storage-vistra-monterey-county/)** > > Monterey County residents near Moss Landing were told late Tuesday to close their windows and doors overnight after a fire broke out at the Vistra Energy lithium-ion battery storage facility near the Moss Landing Harbor. _The same facility, off state Highway 1 and Dolan Road, was the site of a massive fire in January, prompting evacuations because of unknown hazards posed by the smoke…_ _The message said the fire did not appear to be burning undamaged batteries still at the site that had not burned during that fire…_ _Earlier this month, Moss Landing residents filed a lawsuit against both Vistra and PG&E over the January fire. The suit accuses Vistra of failing to take safety measures and complying with updated safety standards while claiming PG&E is responsible for the design of the facility._ DB2 ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 10:14am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/30 "2025-08-20T10:14:54Z")
> **[Fire-damaged Moss Landing facility cleanup begins, battery removal set for...](https://localnewsmatters.org/2025/08/16/fire-damaged-moss-landing-facility-cleanup-begins-battery-removal-set-for-september/)** > > Burnt batteries are going to be removed from the Vistra Moss Landing Energy Storage Facility starting in September, and cleanup will likely continue for a …cleanup will likely continue for a year. DB2 ---
**Author:** ![captainccs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/captainccs/32/3775_2.png) [@captainccs](https://discussion.fool.com/u/captainccs)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 10:52am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/31 "2025-08-20T10:52:51Z")
> [@DrBob2](#): > > …cleanup will likely continue for a year. The problem is lithium. The good news is that the industry is working hard to replace lithium. Sodium and aluminum, both abundant, are two prime candidates. The high demand for electricity storage is funding the research and development of better, safer, and cheaper batteries. Sodium and aluminum batteries, being safer, have secondary effects, reducing the complexity of battery management, temperature and charging. All this points to end of life for ICE. The Captain ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 11:09am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/32 "2025-08-20T11:09:59Z")
> [@captainccs](#): > > The problem is lithium. The good news is that the industry is working hard to replace lithium. Although without waiting for safer batteries, current BESS will then need to be replaced, thus doubling the up-front costs. I think dense urban areas such as NYC should move carefully with this technology. DB2 ---
**Author:** ![Goofyhoofy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/goofyhoofy/32/4721_2.png) [@Goofyhoofy](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Goofyhoofy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 11:16am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/33 "2025-08-20T11:16:05Z")
> [@DrBob2](#): > > cleanup will likely continue for a year. Yeah, imagine, an energy fire. That’s probably never happened before. > **[Event marks 50th anniversary of deadly Gulf oil refinery fire in South Philly](https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/50th-anniversary-gulf-oil-refinery-fire-philly/4255467/)** > > Fifty years after eight firefighters died in the Gulf oil refinery fire in South Philly, the city held a ceremony to uphold the memory of the fallen. ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 11:23am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/34 "2025-08-20T11:23:27Z")
> [@Goofyhoofy](#): > > Yeah, imagine, an energy fire. That’s probably never happened before. Goofy, of course they have. As noted upthread, we now have an additional source – refineries and giant batteries exploding and burning. As you noted in the thread title, “this is not good, very bad, very bad indeed”. DB2 ---
**Author:** ![btresist](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/btresist/32/1678_2.png) [@btresist](https://discussion.fool.com/u/btresist)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 11:38am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/35 "2025-08-20T11:38:35Z")
> [@DrBob2](#): > > Goofy, of course they have. As noted upthread, we now have an additional source – refineries and giant batteries exploding and burning. As you noted in the thread title, “this is not good, very bad, very bad indeed”. So why focus on battery fires if fossil fuel plants are not safer? One reason to focus on eliminating fossil fuels is that they are dangerous in other ways. From the University of Texas. > **[Coal Power Killed Half a Million People in U.S. over Two Decades](https://cns.utexas.edu/news/research/coal-power-killed-half-million-people-us-over-two-decades)** > > Cory Zigler and team found that from 1999–2020, about 460,000 deaths in the Medicare population were attributable to coal-fired power plant emissions No human should want to live near a coal plant. You argue that this battery fire means that “I think dense urban areas such as NYC should move carefully with this technology.” Do you say the same with natural gas technology? > **[San Bruno California, September 9, 2010 Gas Pipeline Explosion and Fire](https://udspace.udel.edu/items/14648e1c-6bc1-402e-a2e9-40dbadfb795e)** > > On September 9, 2010 a buried high pressure 30-inch steel natural gas pipeline exploded in a residential neighborhood in the City of San Bruno, California, a suburb of San Francisco. The explosion and ensuing fire killed 8 and injured 58, and... ---
**Author:** ![pauleckler](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/pauleckler/32/2906_2.png) [@pauleckler](https://discussion.fool.com/u/pauleckler)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 7:01pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/36 "2025-08-20T19:01:11Z")
Let’s not forget that most batteries are lead acid by far. If they are present careful clean up is clearly required. And by the way when will we take lead out of auto batteries? ---
**Author:** ![captainccs](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/captainccs/32/3775_2.png) [@captainccs](https://discussion.fool.com/u/captainccs)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 7:14pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/37 "2025-08-20T19:14:51Z")
> [@pauleckler](#): > > And by the way when will we take lead out of auto batteries? When ICE melts. 😜 Google, “Early Teslas had 12 volt lead acid batteries” The Captain ---
**Author:** ![jaagu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/jaagu/32/6160_2.png) [@jaagu](https://discussion.fool.com/u/jaagu)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 9:39pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/38 "2025-08-20T21:39:42Z")
> [@DrBob2](#): > > As noted upthread, we now have an additional source – refineries and giant batteries exploding and burning. As you noted in the thread title, “this is not good, very bad, very bad indeed”. > > DB2 This is the third fire at Moss Landing. There have been similar incidents in recent years . Fires occurred at the plant in 2021 and 2022, both involving the battery storage system. After those events, the plant underwent safety upgrades to prevent future problems. You are hyperventilating over this one facility fires. The Moss Landing facility was an early design which did not provide adequate spacing between batteries. The battery industry has improved the designs of battery power facilities which are now located in many pats of the country like Texas, Florida, and many others. Here is an article with 2023 data on battery farms. I do not hear about fires at those facilities. > **[These 10 U.S. states have the most battery storage capacity installed](https://www.teslarati.com/10-u-s-states-most-battery-storage-capacity/)** > > Installation of large-scale energy storage systems is expected to continue increasing in the U.S. throughout 2024, as championed by only a handful of states thus far. According to data from the Energy Information Administration (EIA) shared on... ---
**Author:** ![Goofyhoofy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/goofyhoofy/32/4721_2.png) [@Goofyhoofy](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Goofyhoofy)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2025, 9:43pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/39 "2025-08-20T21:43:01Z")
> [@pauleckler](#): > > Let’s not forget that most batteries are lead acid by far. If they are present careful clean up is clearly required. > > And by the way when will we take lead out of auto batteries? Not really a great need. 99% of lead acid batteries are recycled, making it the single most recycled product in the country. Even though modestly profitable, it was mostly hit or miss in the first half of the 20th century with small smelters and junkyards doing a fraction of what became possible when environmental regulations came about, requiring battery retailers to accept used batteries. Once that happened the industry grew out of the shadows into a highly profitable, well controlled, regulated industry that works for both business and consumers. If we could only convince people that doing the same thing with glass bottles was a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![pauleckler](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/pauleckler/32/2906_2.png) [@pauleckler](https://discussion.fool.com/u/pauleckler)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2025, 3:42pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373/40 "2025-08-21T15:42:07Z")
And we have highly toxic lead (no safe exposure) everywhere. If we believe that why do we continue to distribute lead widely into every garage. And probably into every landfill. [Previous page](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373.md?page=1) [Next page](https://discussion.fool.com/t/oh-this-is-not-good-very-bad-very-bad-indeed/112373.md?page=3)