OT: Late-onset mood disorder may predict dementia

Could mood disorders after age 40 be an early sign of dementia?

  • Late-life mood disorders (LLMDs) are mental health issues that first occur or recur at an older age.
  • Past research shows that people with an LLMD may be at a higher risk of developing dementia.
  • A new study found that people with LLMDs have larger amounts of the proteins beta-amyloid and tau in their brains than those with no late-onset mental health issues.
  • Researchers also found that these abnormal brain protein levels can be detected years before traditional dementia symptoms first appear.

Late-life mood disorders (LLMDs) are mental health issues, such as depression and bipolar disorder, that first occur or recur at an older age…

These abnormal protein amounts could be detected years before traditional cognitive symptoms appeared, with mood symptoms preceding cognitive or motor symptoms by an average of 7.3 years in autopsy cases. …

At the study’s conclusion, researchers found that about 50% of participants with LLMDs had tau accumulation and 29% had amyloid deposits, versus 15% and 2%, respectively, in the control group.…

It suggests that we should consider mood disorders — especially those with late onset — as possible prodromal features of neurodegenerative dementias. This perspective has important implications for earlier diagnosis and proactive monitoring of at-risk individuals…

“This isn’t just about treating mood symptoms anymore — we’re potentially intervening in the earliest stages of neurodegeneration,” Bermudes explained. “The finding that 50% of late-life mood disorder patients showed tau pathology compared to only 15% of healthy controls means we’ve been underestimating the stakes.”…[end quote]

This discovery could make a huge difference if and when a drug is finally developed that slows the degradation of tau protein in neurons.

In current practice, a person over age 40 who presents with a mood disorder such as clinical depression or bipolar disorder would be treated with psychiatric drugs. At this point, the person would not show classical signs of dementia so they wouldn’t be evaluated.

Based on the study, the patient would receive positron emission tomography (PET) scans using two different tracers to detect the presence of beta-amyloid and tau in the brain. This is an expensive test. It’s not likely that it would be prescribed routinely unless there was a drug available to slow the progression of disease.

If there was an effective drug the benefit of starting it early in the disease process, before extensive damage, would be clear.

Recent research shows that early dementia symptoms can include loss of executive function (including financial mismanagement) and personality changes before memory loss. This research shows that mood disorders can occur even earlier.

Wendy

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No, because he had these traits his entire life. They didn’t suddenly start after age 40 like the people in the study.
Wendy

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Wendy

Very interesting

Bet dad would say the link is not new.

I’ll ask him

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I disagree. Trump traits in these areas has gotten worse every year. He wasn’t this deranged until the last year of his first term as President. Then he claimed he won the 2020 election. Then he orchestrated an insurrection on January 6th (the current LA protests are minor in comparison). Now he is destroying our government institutions, hurting world order with idiotic tariffs, supporting wars in Gaza, Lebanon and Iran, not supporting Ukraine war against Russian invasion, not supporting neighbors like Canada, Mexico and allies in NATO, EU, Japan, S. Korea, Australia, and other Asian and South America countries.

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He was this crazy all along. He just didn’t have the power to dismantle democracy last time around. Now he knows Congress will not impeach and he knows that he can ignore court orders and keep seizing power.

Knowledge of this fact enables me to conclude that we will either scrap our debt ceiling or default for the first time in history. He proved that he would stop at nothing, including leading a riot that killed and maimed people, on January 6.

The cash that I raised earlier this year is going into international ETFs. I can’t leave this failing democracy completely because my family won’t. Now I have some feeling for why people of conscience did not leave Germany in the 1930’s.

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Trump is not mentally ill. Going around saying that is an insult to those who are.

The power vacuum is the Democratic Party. Any economic plan right now would sound better than what we are getting. Yet there is no opposition position on economics. What crap they are not to back up the rationales for higher taxes.

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Another thread turn political.

The Captain

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Some people just can’t resist.

self-restraint
noun
Restraint of one’s emotions, desires, or inclinations; self-control.

DB2

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LOL that is true passive aggressive behaviour. People creating political content and then blaming others for doing the same thing.

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There is a difference between creating political content and turning a non-political thread into one.

DB2

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I am glad to see you have a line you will not cross? :joy:

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Not true. The mental fits of our President is a METAR issue.

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@WendyBG

Dad said new study.

One may never be proven again. Often happens with these things.

Two people have a lot of those proteins and do not have dementia or alzheimers

My extended family is getting ready to leave this failing democracy if it gets worse. EU passports are already issued for some of my extended family.

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That would be an excellent way to weaponize the medical system to get rid of surplus older workers – get them diagnosed as being at risk for dementia and take them off the corporate books and on to Social Security disability.

intercst

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Yes it does…quite often, in fact, but most frequently when the new study is trumpeting a novel, never-seen-before finding or something spotted in a bunch 9f mutant lab rodents. This doesn’t appear to be the case here.

If dad reads the full document (actually available without a paywall)…including the references at the end of the document…he’ll see that this study does not actually fall into that category but rather is an addition to the scientific archive of a well researched area. Who knew…I did not. Thanks @WendyBG for the thread start.

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Can we start at the top?

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Dad is 86 he’s not going to study it.

But he’s right in that there are plenty of people w high protein counts for this that have no problems

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An evidence free and evidence proof opinion…but freely given? Gottit.

Interesting thing about the second comment is that, in its way, it’s not too far from the comments on “high cholesterol” that’re still made by those without adequate understanding of the role of lipoprotein particles in development of ASCVD.

I suspect that, when more light is shone on this topic (and others with a long continuum from healthy homeostasis to discernable/irreversible disease), even waking up to a potential problem at age 40 or so will prove to be a delayed awareness for optimal prevention. Much like ASCVD.

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Interesting. You know zero on the topic. Go read about it, smarty pants. Find out something.

LPA is good to know about. Guessing if your LPA is higher, bringing down your cholesterol might slow the development of plaque. But it won’t change your LPA. There is little to no study done on this, but cholesterol drugs do extend life. Makes some sense.