Are you familiar with Jeff Votek (stem talk 149) or Mark Mattson (stem talk 133)? Some of what you dismiss as nonsense may prove to be an emerging body of science that the medical profession is just now being forced to acknowledge.
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Not sure who youāre referring toā¦both poster and speaker. Jeff Votek???
Keto diet?
Jeff Votek
Intermittent Fasting?
Mark Mattson
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I was sure his name was Jeff VoLek.
Now we just need to find out whoās dismissed some of what they say as nonsense ā¦
and what that actually was (assuming there isnāt a stray Straw Man lurking somewhereš)
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@MarkR ā¦Iām a big advocate of āwearablesā (as any Old Lags from the H&N and Running Fools board could attest.)
Started back in the early aughtsā¦quite literally Jan 2022 as my daughter bought me a trial gym membership, Runnerās World training log and a basic continuous read HRMā¦a Polar F1ā¦for Christmas 2021. Still use the training log (yes Iāve saved them over the years) and the only change is itās no longer spiral bound. That Polar F1 has disappeared into antiquity.
I donāt use an Appleā¦Iām a Garmin Galā¦ but I spotted something that might be coming in the pipelineā¦blood glucose analysis. A few years back, someone posted a link on the Diabetic board about some newish, not-yet-developed technology that utilised the optical properties of glucose to measure it in the blood. This was round about the time that the continuous read glucose monitors were being touted for non-diabetics.
I think that the āwearablesā companies have the ability to now incorporate it but just need to demonstrate accuracy/efficiency as compared with CGM, say, as itāll effectively be a medical device.
The keto diet raises my cholesterol levels dramatically. I have done a variety of attempts of the Atkinās diet. All combinations like that raise my cholesterol dramatically. My triglycerides in particular spike.
That is not true for some people.
As a registered dietitian and professor in the Department of Human Sciences at The Ohio State University, Dr. Volekās work has contributed to the existing science of ketones and ketogenic diets, their use as a therapeutic tool to manage insulin resistance, plus their increasing potential to augment human resiliency. This line of work has shown profound effects of carbohydrate restriction on overall health and well-being, and he has accumulated an extensive amount of laboratory and clinical data as it pertains to biomarker discovery and the formulation of personalized, effective, and sustainable low-carbohydrate diets.
Pops and VeeEnn, he is so full of it. I mean endlessly full of it. Pass the basket. He knows nothing much at all. He is probably making a lot of things up. I am at the part where he hooks in the gullible in the first talk with āconventional medicineā. That is supposed to inoculate the listener from listening to their doctor instead of him. It is the first way a snake oil salesman passes the basket. He is totally commercial garbage. Now at he is using the word āconvincingā at some 15 minutes. Such a good salesboy. Then how he built his company as if admitting bsing people is honest with a disclosure. He is a nutty guy. USER!!
This is what OSU is up toā¦this is not what you think. It is not good. This is food marketing and repackaging (unsaid)
https://u.osu.edu/c**affre/aboutus/
take out the **, for some reason the word is not allowed.
https://u.osu.edu/c**affre/people/volek/
https://neuroscience.jhu.edu/research/faculty/57
Mark Mattson is a serious professor. The difference in the human body between some food at one hour in a day and then fasting or eating less food here and there through the day it makes no difference. That is one set of thoughts in nutrition. There is no knowing which is right because a given day is a given dayās intake of food. The common mistake with a night eater is not eating at night as so many claim but loading up on calories after a full day some of which was eating already. We do not get the same results with food deprivation as other smaller mammals. We do not know if we get the longevity. My own take we now have longer lives with many of us living past 80. You can not simply cut 30% of your calories and automatically live to 100. Unlike a mouse getting twice as many months of life. The comparison collapses. Yes having a sample that is over weight and very conscious of intermittent fasting and managing oneself means weight loss and a reduction in major problems. No denying cutting calories works. I have been saying that. I am listening and writing. I like his discussion of people pushing bad ideas on others at 10 minutes for gain. He is a nice man. He is honest about his expertise as well. He maybe wrong about his beliefs on evolutionary history. Not all parts of it. The bigger issue our history is not that important. It wont save ya. There are many different periods of our history. His history stuff is really kind of rummaging around for ideas. Not nonsense but so what?
I will introduce you to my source. Evan is an MD and Ph.D currently head of his department in endocrinology. There is a mix of practice and lab works at BI.
VeeEnn you in particular like to read scientific papers. This is a different world than I see you discussing. You may love seeing the publications.
Well most of what folk put up on YouTube are interesting in their own way. I mean, whoād get any hits if they were trying to promote their message by putting up the most boring lecture imaginable. Iāve been familiar with the promotion of ketogenic diets and intermittent fasting for a long time (as any refugee from the old H&N/low carbs board would be) Volek ā¦ along with his side-kick Phinneyā¦for much longer than Mattson. Like most areas of research, they have their meritsā¦up to a point and within reason etc.etc. Very little is of practical interest to me as the research demonstrating plausible benefits compares their dietary interventions on people whoāre fat overeaters and probably Sedentarians to boot. I cannot apply it in any meaningful way because my lifestyle of choice/habit for the past half century (longer if you count time on my mumās watch) has been just the opposite.
However, tooling around the internet while I had a sit-down yesterday, I found this article. An opinion piece rather than anything resembling an RCT or meta analysis. Sort of an anti-hedonistic take. Almost made me want to go out on a receptacle that collects rainwater kicking trail runā¦except today is lifting day. (the lengths you have to go to in order to circumvent TMFās filter)