OT? Post-Maduro Venezuela

Be careful what you wish for. Remember what happened in Iraq after their strongman was deposed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/20/us/politics/venezuela-maduro-fallout-trump.html

U.S. Ran a War Game on Ousting Maduro. Venezuela Fell Into Chaos.

An official U.S. government exercise during President Trump’s first term forecast turmoil and potential violence in a post-Maduro Venezuela.

By Michael Crowley, The New York Times, Nov. 20, 2025

As President Trump pressed during his first term to oust President Nicolás Maduro, U.S. officials ran a war game to assess what the Venezuelan strongman’s fall might unleash.

The results showed that chaos and violence were likely to erupt within Venezuela, as military units, rival political factions and even jungle-based guerrilla groups jockeyed for control of the oil-rich country….

Analysts warn that the troubled recent history of U.S. regime-change interventions in places like Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya could play out again in a post-Maduro Venezuela….[end quote]

I just don’t get it. Wasn’t part of President Trump’s platform to avoid foreign wars?

Wendy

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Yep. Bush and Cheney told us that taking Iraq’s oil would make the war pay for itself. It’s an outrage that these liars are getting state funerals.

intercst

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Renaming the Department of Defense to the Department of War gave us a clue as to how much his pledge to avoid war was actually truth telling.

Pete

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I don’t remember that. Do you have a link?

DB2

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{{ On March 27, 2003, Wolfowitz told the House Appropriations Committee[48] that oil revenue earned by Iraq alone would pay for Iraq’s reconstruction after the Iraq war; he testified his “rough recollection” was:[48] "The oil revenues of that country could bring between $50 and $100 billion over the course of the next two or three years. }}

There would also be an immense “trickle down” effect as US Oil companies moved in to “manage” Iraqi oil assets and skim-off outsized fees.

Lies – all of it.

intercst

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His veracity is quite remarkable.

More than a year ago, Kenneth Adelman, a prominent national-security official in the Reagan Administration who now serves part time, with Richard Perle, on the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board, wrote a piece for the Washington Post . Its title was “Cakewalk in Iraq,” and its payoff went like this: “I believe demolishing Hussein’s military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk. Let me give simple, responsible reasons: (1) It was a cakewalk last time; (2) they’ve become much weaker; (3) we’ve become much stronger; and (4) now we’re playing for keeps.” It’s worth remembering that “last time”—that is, in 1991, when a genuine coalition of American, European, and Arab armies expelled Saddam Hussein from Kuwait—the ground war was over in a hundred hours. Next time, the reader was left to conclude, the job would be wrapped up even faster.

Now Elliot Abrams arises from his crypt:

Elliott Abrams returns, promoting a Caracas cakewalk

It may not be a “cakewalk,” but it’ll still be pretty damn easy.

Just a few air strikes at key targets in Venezuela and the “remov[al],” presumably by U.S. Special Forces, of “the regime’s top thug,” and the government of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro should collapse like souffle, paving the way to democracy, economic prosperity, and national reconciliation.

That’s the scenario painted by a leading, if controversial, neoconservative in a new article entitled “How to Topple Maduro,” published Thursday by the highly influential “Foreign Affairs” journal.

The author: Elliott Abrams, who served as Special Representative for Venezuela in President Trump’s first term. He also helped prosecute the contra war in Nicaragua as Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs under former President Ronald Reagan (and was convicted of misleading Congress about his role in the Iran-contra affair), and wait for it… he was former President George W. Bush’s senior Middle East adviser on the National Security Council (2002-2009) during which he promoted the disastrous U.S. invasion of Iraq and backed an equally disastrous coup attempt against Hamas in Gaza.

Dick Cheney the key architect of the 2003 Iraq War must be crying in his grave that he is missing from the run up to this foreign adventure. eg cluster *#@%.

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Colonial/imperial governments and their modern descendants bumping off the “Evil Stupid Demagogue” in place is always the lodestone, and easily accomplished. Even looting the treasuries and even some museums is an easy trick. But all the supposed good that comes after? Unless the invaders are willing to enslave or murder large parts of the population (Portuguese through Belgian colonialists mostly had that down with church approval!), the Brave New World seems to never emerge.

But just think of all that Venezuelan petrol going to waste!!!

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