OT:Ukraine Side of War Ran BY the USA/NATO

Side by side in Wiesbaden’s mission command center, American and Ukrainian officers planned Kyiv’s counteroffensives. A vast American intelligence-collection effort both guided big-picture battle strategy and funneled precise targeting information down to Ukrainian soldiers in the field.

One European intelligence chief recalled being taken aback to learn how deeply enmeshed his N.A.T.O. counterparts had become in Ukrainian operations.

But ultimately the partnership strained — and the arc of the war shifted — amid rivalries, resentments and diverging imperatives and agendas.

The Ukrainians sometimes saw the Americans as overbearing and controlling — the prototypical patronizing Americans. The Americans sometimes couldn’t understand why the Ukrainians didn’t simply accept good advice.

Where the Americans focused on measured, achievable objectives, they saw the Ukrainians as constantly grasping for the big win, the bright, shining prize. The Ukrainians, for their part, often saw the Americans as holding them back. The Ukrainians aimed to win the war outright. Even as they shared that hope, the Americans wanted to make sure the Ukrainians didn’t lose it.

the pivotal moment of the war — in mid-2023, as the Ukrainians mounted a counteroffensive to build victorious momentum after the first year’s successes — the strategy devised in Wiesbaden fell victim to the fractious internal politics of Ukraine: The president, Volodymyr Zelensky, versus his military chief (and potential electoral rival), and the military chief versus his headstrong subordinate commander. When Mr. Zelensky sided with the subordinate, the Ukrainians poured vast complements of men and resources into a finally futile campaign to recapture the devastated city of Bakhmut. Within months, the entire counteroffensive ended in stillborn failure.

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Has it really been a secret?

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Hasn’t the story pushed by the Main Stream Media been the brave outnumbered Ukrainians defending their nation with Western Supplied arms.
I’m sure most Americans assumed that that US/NATO were involved in supplying intelligence information, but involvement in planning military attacks by Ukrainians upon Russian armed forces?

Yeah, I think that’s considered ‘intelligence information,’ since at least Vietnam.

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Exactly, The United States was in Vietnam in 1958 doing the same thing.

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The United States was in Vietnam ADVISING & FIGHTING. It is an illusion that US advisors inbedded with S Vietnamese units weren’t fighting.

Of course they were, they went out on patrols with the S Vietnamese and I wouldn’t be surprised if they were doing the same thing with the Ukrainains.

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So the American people were being lied to that we were actively involved in a war with Russia?

Just like we were lied to that All Americans believed in the Rule of law and Democracy. Time to grow up.

(the sound of crickets)

Sounds like a two headed monster. America wants Ukraine to fight with one hand tied behind its back.

Slava Ukraini!

Слава Україні!

The Captain

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