OT:Why Americans now hate each other more than ever

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/6030279-us-societal-distrust-growth/

Researchers at the Marquette Law School Poll recently identified a sharp generational decline in trust across the United States. Americans born before 1960 still hold onto a baseline assumption that their neighbors will not rob them, given half a chance. They are the most trusting demographic in the country.

The numbers worsen with each successive generation. The cohort born in the 2000s registers the highest levels of distrust ever recorded by the project. A significant portion of young adults operate under the functional premise that everyone else is a threat.

A comprehensive 25-country survey published by Pew Research Center earlier this year found that Americans do not merely distrust one another. Increasingly, they see their fellow citizens as morally bankrupt. American citizens are far more likely to view their fellow countrymen as fundamentally evil than citizens of the other surveyed nations.

Viewing the opposing political or cultural faction as mistaken allows for regular political debate. Viewing them as beyond redemption eliminates the possibility of finding common ground. You do not negotiate with a monster.

how did such a state of affairs arise?

The primary reason this trajectory will likely worsen is that the incentives align perfectly with animosity. Media algorithms, political fundraising operations, and cultural gatekeepers generate billions of dollars in revenue by validating this exact contempt. A peaceful, trusting populace is economically useless to the current infrastructure. Modern America has built a business model out of demonizing the person next door. To keep the money flowing, people must stay angry enough to click, donate and hate.

The institutional elite discovered that rage scales infinitely better than unity. A divided populace creates highly predictable voting blocks and captive consumer markets. This calculated division ensures that the industry of outrage remains fully funded and sustained. Every political campaign relies on the explicit premise that the opposition intends to dismantle civilization — either forcing you into communism or fascism, neither of which, if we are being honest, sounds particularly appealing.

The current generation entering adulthood has never experienced a society in which cooperation was the default setting. They grew up watching the adults in the room treat the opposing political party as an existential threat to survival.

The country is locked into a cycle where distrust breeds contempt, contempt destroys relationships, and destroyed relationships ensure that the next generation doubles down on the disdain. The country is settling into a permanent, highly profitable state of mutual loathing. For much of its history, the United States has been united more in name than in reality. Now, it’s a nation divided not only by borders, but by an unbridgeable psychological gulf.

The concept of the ruling elite is most closely associated with Vilfredo Pareto (1848-1923), an Italian sociologist who argued that every society, regardless of its political structure, is always governed by a small minority. For Pareto, what defined this minority was not just wealth but a combination of superior psychological traits – intelligence, decisiveness, and strategic thinking – that allowed them to rise above the masses.
Of course the elites should make the decision due their superior intelligence!

Lions are elites who rely on force, tradition, and authority to hold power. They are conservative and prioritize stability. Foxes, on the other hand, govern through cunning, manipulation, and innovation – they adapt, negotiate, and outmaneuver their opponents. According to Pareto, societies thrive when lions and foxes balance each other, but stagnation sets in when one type dominates for too long, eventually triggering reform or revolution.

For Burnham, the real ruling class of the modern world was not the old capitalist owner but the managera category that included corporate executives, government bureaucrats, and technical specialists. The key demarcation between this new elite and the rest of society was not ownership but control of the means of production.

American sociologist C. Wright Mills took an institutional approach. In his landmark 1956 book The Power Elite, Mills argued that power in modern America was concentrated not in one group but in three interlocking institutional hierarchies: the corporate elite, the military elite, and the political directorate.

Whatever your definition of elites. The elites have a belief that they are the best ones to run things. And today they are using media to manipulate the populace to control or at least direct/herd them.

I sure there will be a significant push back on this post. Manipulation? Me? Bah horsepucky!

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The culture of oppressors and victims. Since I’m not an oppressor I must be a victim.

Push back? Of course! You’re an oppressor!

The Captain

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LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL!

Just a more basic question.

What in your experience formed for you such strong populist views?

(if I am understanding this and many other posts)

I’ve always been a bit of a weirdo. In 1976 I voted for Roger MacBride (President).
From 1980 I voted for Republican presidential candidates in hopes for smaller government. Nope I was manipulated by their propaganda. So in 1992 & 1996 I voted for Ross Perot.

I stopped voting for president in 2000. There is no lesser evil. Just different flavors. I view both establishment political parties as parties appealing & representing the professional class. The working class has been kicked to the curb & ignored. Both parties have moved toward less regulation and protection for the little guy and toward foreign interventionism

The political writer Thomas Frank seems to have come to the same conclusion. He was once the darling of the Democrats as he ripped out the guts of conservatives and their party in previous books. Then he turned his eye upon the other party: His party.

I believe it was the Clinton administration that may have influenced him.

My beliefs eventually morphed into more toward left-wing populism focusing on economics. I post/target big banks, billionaires, and corporate power and how they screw the working class. Presently I see no political party I can identify with or support.

Oh back to your question. Observation on how our federal government runs and operates plus the behaviors of our elected representatives who are mostly capitalistic [for sale to the highest bidder].

I may not be the only one out there with distrust of the current political system.
I’ve seen stories of how generation Z has similar distrust. I believe that further income inequality will drive more folks away from traditional establishment political parties. Either new parties will form or the existing parties will be able to convince voters by propaganda & manipulation that they now represent their interests. That they have changed.

I’m just riding the wagon observing & commenting.

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Of possible significance to this answer:

According to ChatGPT: What are the Top 10 spreaders of misinformation today:

  1. Donald Trump
  2. Fox News
  3. Elon Musk
  4. Robert F Kennedy
  5. Alex Jones
  6. Tucker Carlson
  7. Sean Hannity
  8. Newsmax
  9. The Gateway Pundit
  10. Breitbart

That so many people use news sources which are not, in fact, news sources contributes greatly to the “us vs them” syndrome, largely because it has become profitable to do so, and one particular persuasion has monetized and weaponized it.

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This is a huge problem, but our political system is incapable of dealing with it.

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Back in Venezuela I always voted for the least bad candidate. The two main parties were both center left. My business partner commented that the right wing party could hold a national convention in a VW. All the communist parties together never got more than 15% of the vote. Democracy lasted 40 years from 1958 to 1998.

The Captain

amplifying social-media claims without sufficient verification, presenting opinion or punditry as news, and selective framing or omission that critics call partisan distortion; each network has documented instances and defenders who point to corrections, fact-check desks, and differing standards across programs [1] [2] [3] [4]. Disputes over whether these problems reflect routine newsroom mistakes, systemic bias, or politically motivated attacks are active in the record: independent scorecards find different error rates for pundits on each network while political actors publicly denounce both outlets as “dishonest”

Fox like MSNBC are heavily skewed toward opinion rather than news.

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I guess it depends on how you prompt Chat GPT. This is the answer it gave me.

there isn’t a neutral, evidence-based “top 10” accepted by scholars. Independent fact-checkers such as PolitiFact, FactCheck.org, and media researchers instead evaluate individual claims or patterns of accuracy over time rather than issuing definitive rankings of “most disinforming” outlets.

Similarly, research generally finds that no single source accounts for all disinformation. Instead, false narratives often emerge from a combination of original creators, coordinated amplifiers (including bots and foreign actors), influential public figures, and social media algorithms that spread the content widely.

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