OT:Zeihan Meets with 3 Former Stratfor Employees & Discuss/Spitballing the Future

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9zH8CJTPS8]
Zeihan:It’s not that we are running out of children on a global basis. That happened in the 1980’s. We are now running out of 50 year olds. So if there is no one to purchase the product. A decline in global demand. It no longer matters where you poke the system hard; tech, energy, finance, ag–the system is so fragile & vulnerable a cascade of events occurs. And if the Iran War turns off the oil. We are there now. Worse case, international trade grinds to a halt. Even transportation of goods within a nation becomes more difficult. And for some nations, not the US, an oil crisis means famine & starvation and deindustrialization.

They all agree China will be in a world of hurt as it depends on its exports to exist.

Best case scenario-we have 2 billion deaths, the world takes a step back technologically, globalization breaks into region trade, regional powers.

One of the fellows believes deflation hits the world and we return to 1929-1930.
And believes a nuclear war occurs started by a “sick man” nation in economic trouble and resulting civil unrest. Russia comes to mind. A war is already in progress next door. So escalation to distract the Russian people and maybe victory can be declared. And the Ukraine War is currently a stagnant stalemate tactically.
Zeihan interjects-Well if Putin falls the oligarchies will be infighting. And looking the barbarity that occurred between the White & Red Russians. I could see a nuke being used internally.

A different fellow suggests China will look to bit off pieces of weaken Russia to solve its oil & mineral problems.
tj-How does US respond to such action? Is the US even capable of responding?

Zeihan comment that the EU is morphing from an economic financial union to a political-military union.
tj-certainly the current US regime is pushing the EU/NATO toward forming its own military-strategtic autonomy. A return to European imperialism?

Another fellow thinks nation states will either cease to exist or have very little power over its populace. Any power it does have will be used to protect the elites and oligarchs.
All current political &economical systems are based on the growth of demand. But now global demand will be shrinking. Humans will have to invent new systems. But it will have to be done during societal upheaval.
tj- Perhaps demand does not decline precipitously? The top 10% consume 50-60%. They will still have wealth to consume. But the middle class will be eventually hollowed out. Most will be gutted economically. Some will be able to rise into the wealthy class. Our society will be feudal based on wealth rather than royal blood lines.

Zeihan & the fellows talked about how war has changed with the advent of drones. The battlefield has become a VERY dangerous place for armor and infantry. It has become EXTREMELY difficult perhaps even impossible to take ground. To control territory, boots on the ground are necessary. But now that is practically impossible.
If Iraq had the current drone technology in 2003. The US would have been defeated or at least stalemated.
tj-Solution. Robot soldiers.

Zeihan & the fellows believe some of the above occurs in 10 years.

If one believes Zeihan’s & his pals predictions. Commodities & precious metals is the path to save/protect one’s investments

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Which makes me wonder what their base case and worst case scenarios are.

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Their basic belief is global consumption demand decline, poor world demographics, deglobalization of trade and disruption of supply chain. China is well and truly screwed as their economy is based on exportation of goods & importation of raw materials.

How bad it gets depends on how nations react. If Russia crumbles-does that result in use of nukes upon Ukraine or internally? Does China grab some Russian territory to gain oil & minerals? Does the EU/NATO move into a weakened Russia to preempt anticipated Russian aggression.
How bad does trade disruption affect global agriculture yields?

https://www.npr.org/2025/10/27/nx-s1-5576355/population-babies-capitalism
Worldwide, the number of children born to the average family has dropped by more than half since the 1970s, according to the latest United Nations data. Economists say having fewer children is the norm for many families, especially in relatively prosperous countries like the U.S.

The trend is leading to populations that are dramatically older, and beginning to shrink, in many of the world’s biggest economies.

“For the countries below 1.4 births per woman, we see much faster population decline and a pronounced shift in the population age distribution to the older ages,” said Vladimíra Kantorová, the U.N.'s chief population scientist. The rate of births per woman in the U.S. dropped to 1.6 in 2024, the lowest ever.

In China, Japan, Italy and South Korea, deaths already outpace births. Demographers say more high-income countries would face population decline, if not for high rates of immigration.

Eberstadt, at the American Enterprise Institute, thinks the population shift could destabilize key U.S. programs that underpin the economy, including Social Security and Medicare.

rapid aging and population decline are hitting America’s biggest trading partners far harder and much faster.