OT:Zelensky Says He’s Willing To Negotiate on Trump’s Peace Plan for Ukraine

The Trump administration has drafted a new 28-point peace plan with input from Russia that would require Ukraine to cede what territory it still controls in the Donbas and accept limits on its military.

Read the full text of Trump’s 28-point Ukraine-Russia peace plan:

https://archive.ph/H5Auw#selection-1571.0-1571.65

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Washington Post today
https://archive.ph/otBtB
U.S. pushing Ukraine to sign peace deal by Thanksgiving or lose support

The U.S. is now sending “signals” that everything could be off the table if Kyiv does not quickly sign a proposal, which was drawn up by special envoy Witkoff.

Having read the 28-point plan, it cannot possibly be agreed to as it would require commitments that Zelensky cannot guarantee - such as:

7. Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future.

I don’t know what it takes to add something to the Constitution for Ukraine but if it is anything like ours, he cannot guarantee that.

Beyond that, this is a terrible deal for Ukraine. Utterly toothless for Russia - and Russia still won’t agree to it either.

There isn’t even an agreement to return hostages or POWs.

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The cession of land also requires a national referendum, it can’t be guaranteed.

There kinda is - point 24 calls for the development of a Humanitarian Committee to address the release of prisoners and hostages.

Somebody needs to tell Witkoff that Russia is the aggressor.

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A committee that is non-binding. It does not require the release - only a committee to discuss such.

Kind of like there various toothless humanitarian committees within the UN.

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A lot of this is a slap at the eu to find the money.

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This shows Trump Administration is still on the side of the country that illegally invaded Ukraine without cause. I am upset by this stupid flip-flopping that undermines Ukraine fight for their country.

In other news about Russia lovers, the UK has been convicted and sent to jail Mr. Gill for bring a paid traitor for Russia.

Former Reform U.K. Politician Sent to Prison for Taking Pro-Russia Bribes

Nathan Gill was sentenced to 10 and a half years on Friday after admitting he was paid to make pro-Russian speeches in the European Parliament.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/21/world/europe/reform-uk-nathan-gill-russia-bribes.html

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Witkoff is a Trump toady. I liked what Richard Haass had said about Trump’s 28-point proposal on PBS News Hour today. Zelensky, Ukraine and the EU can not live with the pro-Russian proposal.

Trump thinks he can get the Nobel Peace prize by doing what Neville Chamberlain did in 1938 to appease Hitler.

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Trump plan-to generate a new plan?
HM it seems the Trump plan has forced allies to get off their duffs to work on a revised plan. Intentional or unintentional result of the Trump plan? I suppose it does not matter if the killing can be stopped.

Ukraine’s staunchest allies are scrambling to rewrite Donald Trump’s peace plan to stop him forcing Kyiv to hand swathes of territory to Russia in an unbalanced deal.

European leaders are now frantically working up counter-proposals to put to Trump to mitigate the worst elements of the U.S. plan, which include forcing Ukraine to cede land in the east and cut the size of its military, according to multiple officials familiar with the matter, granted anonymity to speak candidly.

That is not lost on the EU. What is lost and needs finding is EU money for arms.

The EU loves to play intellectually superior till the restaurant check comes.

More specifically in some cases the EU does not want to buy US weapons. The EU wants money to stay within the EU. Considering the decades of US support where massive numbers of dollars have been spent,…kind of funny that the EU hesitates to buy from us. What was the Marshall Plan?

Google AI

The EU is not having difficulty committing funds for Ukrainian arms in terms of total volume and long-term pledges, but it faces challenges with the timely disbursement of aid and the capacity of its defense industry to meet the urgent demand for weapons.

Key Challenges in EU Arms Funding

  • Industrial Capacity: A major issue is the gap between financial commitments and the actual capacity of the European defense industry to produce weapons and ammunition quickly enough. The EU struggled to meet its initial target of providing one million artillery shells within a year, for instance.
  • Funding Mechanisms and Political Will: While EU nations have made significant pledges, disagreements exist on funding mechanisms, such as whether loans for weapons should exclusively fund EU-based companies or allow purchases from non-EU countries like the US. The fundamental source of weakness is often cited as a lack of cohesive political will and a long-term strategic vision across all member states.
  • Reliance on Russian Assets: A significant portion of future funding plans relies on using the profits from immobilized Russian central bank assets, which is a controversial move with potential legal and economic ramifications that have slowed down implementation.
  • US Support Volatility: The unpredictability of US military aid, particularly following the change in administration in 2025, has placed a greater burden on Europe to become the primary supplier, a role it is still scaling up to meet.
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EU is buying US weapons and sending them to Ukraine. EU is committed to 5% of GDP for military. EU is developing their own industrial capacity to make their own weapons.

Committed is not rushing.

Part of the European discussion (and I have heard same in quite a few other countries as well) is that

War is STUPID, and INSANELY EXPENSIVE,

and so that quite significant unpleasant expenditures now are a real bargain as compared to either actual war or ongoing droozling expenditures.

Why?

Because Putin’s Russia has become the origin of modern warfare, the wrecker of the European dream, and is now vulnerable in the Ukraine War and so Whack Then NOW.

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The larger Balkan’s theory. Mi own. Europe is a bigger and bigger group of countries spreading the problem of war.

The cockroach is out of the cupboard. Time to fight or fight on a larger scale later.

There is no diplomatic solution the Russians will not dishonor.

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