# Right Wing Push Back Agin EU Adoption of EVs **URL:** \ **Category:** Hybrid & Electric Vehicle Fools\ **Created:** [November 5, 2025, 2:54pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992 "2025-11-05T14:54:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tjscott0](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/tjscott0/32/1083_2.png) [@tjscott0](https://discussion.fool.com/u/tjscott0)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 2:54pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/1 "2025-11-05T14:54:24Z")
> **[EU’s green car push helps fuel political populists](https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-green-car-push-helps-fuel-political-populists/)** > > Europe’s far-right parties are capitalizing on the public’s reluctance to change technologies. _Brussels wants to kill off the combustion engine. Instead, it’s supercharging Europe’s populists._ _Right-wing parties are running hard against the EU’s law that bans the sale of new gasoline and diesel cars from 2035. It’s happening in the Czech Republic, Italy, Germany, France, Poland and elsewhere. In response, centrist parties with a more established voice in Brussels are turning against the law to avoid losing traction to their far-right rivals._ _In Prague, the far-right Motorist for Themselves party denounced “green fanatics” and made a breakthrough in the [national election](https://www.politico.eu/article/five-key-takeaways-from-the-czech-election/)last month with almost 7 percent of the vote._ _The vote-winner populist ANO party on Monday [struck a coalition agreement](https://www.politico.eu/article/czechia-andrej-babis-clinches-coalition-deal-far-right/) with the Motorists and the far-right Freedom and Direct Democracy. That means the Czech Republic, which has one of the EU’s largest car industries as a percentage of the economy, will continue being one of the leading opponents of the 2035 measure, as the outgoing centrist government was also skeptical of the law._ \*“Stop the climate fanatics!” screams a poster from Poland’s fast-rising far-right Confederation party. \* \*In Italy, League leader and Deputy Prime Minister Matteo Salvini denounced the 2035 measure as “ideological fundamentalism” and called it economic suicide that will hand over the bloc’s car industry to Chinese rivals. The Italian government is pressing hard for opt-outs from the 2035 biofuels law. \* _Germany’s far-right Alternative for Germany party campaigns strongly against 2035, but in the country with the continent’s largest car sector, the issue is also splitting the ruling coalition led by the conservative Christian Democrats in alliance with the center-left Social Democrats._ Within the USA GM & Ford are pulling back from their EV push. [https://electrek.co/2025/10/21/chevy-cadillac-gmc-evs-winning-but-gm-has-other-plans/](https://electrek.co/2025/10/21/chevy-cadillac-gmc-evs-winning-but-gm-has-other-plans/) _ **GM is “reassessing” EV capacity and manufacturing in the US.** _ > **[Ford's US October sales rise on demand for pickup trucks despite EV decline](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fords-us-october-sales-rise-150953955.html)** > > Ford on Monday reported a 1.6% rise in U.S. sales in October, as a rise in demand for pickup trucks offset falling electric vehicle volumes. ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 3:05pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/2 "2025-11-05T15:05:51Z")
> [@tjscott0](#): > > Within the USA GM & Ford are pulling back from their EV push. Don’t tell mostlylong. From June… “You are ignoring the reality of electrified vehicles growing US market share because the market, producers and consumers, are making it a priority” DB2 ---
**Author:** ![tjscott0](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/tjscott0/32/1083_2.png) [@tjscott0](https://discussion.fool.com/u/tjscott0)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 3:46pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/3 "2025-11-05T15:46:24Z")
> [@DrBob2](#): > > Don’t tell mostlylong. From June… > “You are ignoring the reality of electrified vehicles growing US market share because the market, producers and consumers, are making it a priority” > > DB2 Ford has delayed its new full sized pick up and van. [https://insideevs.com/news/768409/ford-electric-pickup-van-delayed-again/](https://insideevs.com/news/768409/ford-electric-pickup-van-delayed-again/) However Ford is pushing forward with a $30k EV small pick up for 2027. [https://insideevs.com/news/777855/ford-30000-usd-pickup-testing-component-sourcing/](https://insideevs.com/news/777855/ford-30000-usd-pickup-testing-component-sourcing/) I expect the above is due to Slate & Telo small pick ups due out around 2026. Also the Ford Maverick small pick up is selling well. 2022-~74K units 2023-~94K units 2024-~121K units In 2024, hybrid Mavericks were roughly 50% of those sold. The remaining had IC engines. ---
**Author:** ![mostlylong](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/mostlylong/32/3943_2.png) [@mostlylong](https://discussion.fool.com/u/mostlylong)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 5:12pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/4 "2025-11-05T17:12:31Z")
> [@DrBob2](#): > > Don’t tell mostlylong Why? 20x19x18x17…x2x1 ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 5:46pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/5 "2025-11-05T17:46:33Z")
> [@mostlylong](#): > > Why? Because of your reactions in this thread to car companies scaling back their EV plans. > [@Bill Ford-Big Beautiful Budget Will Gut US Auto Industry](https://discussion.fool.com/t/bill-ford-big-beautiful-budget-will-gut-us-auto-industry/118729): > > [https://insideevs.com/news/761253/ford-lfp-battery-michigan-risk/](https://insideevs.com/news/761253/ford-lfp-battery-michigan-risk/) Ford wants to make affordable EVs and lithium-iron-phosphate batteries in the U.S. Its plans are now “in peril.” For low-cost, mass-market electric vehicles, lithium-iron-phosphate (LFP) batteries are a clear favorite. They skip pricey materials like nickel and cobalt, offer reasonable energy density, better thermal stability and last far longer. U.S. automakers want to build them here, but they can’t do it without federal subs… DB2 ---
**Author:** ![mostlylong](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/mostlylong/32/3943_2.png) [@mostlylong](https://discussion.fool.com/u/mostlylong)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 7:10pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/6 "2025-11-05T19:10:05Z")
> [@DrBob2](#): > > reactions in this thread And? Not following? 201918 ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 8:04pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/7 "2025-11-05T20:04:46Z")
> [@mostlylong](#): > > And? > > Not following You seemed disbelieving back in June. Now, once again, we read that GM is ‘reassessing’ EV capacity. DB2 ---
**Author:** ![bjurasz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/bjurasz/32/7233_2.png) [@bjurasz](https://discussion.fool.com/u/bjurasz)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 8:06pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/8 "2025-11-05T20:06:40Z")
> [@DrBob2](#): > > You seemed disbelieving back in June. Now, once again, we read that GM is ‘reassessing’ EV capacity. That is what happens when you have an administration hostile to EV’s and renewables. ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 8:27pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/9 "2025-11-05T20:27:35Z")
> [@bjurasz](#): > > That is what happens when you have an administration hostile to EV’s and renewables. It predates the present administration. For example, a Reuters article from two years ago titled **US EV market struggles with price cuts and rising inventories** : [https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/slow-selling-evs-are-auto-industrys-new-headache-2023-07-11/](https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/slow-selling-evs-are-auto-industrys-new-headache-2023-07-11/) **Since 2023** the percent of car sales that are EVs has **plateaued in California**. > **[California's surge in EV sales has stalled — so what happens to its landmark...](https://calmatters.org/environment/climate-change/2025/02/electric-car-sales-stall-california/)** > > About a quarter of all new cars registered in California in 2024 were electric cars. The flat sales follow several years of rapid growth. DB2 ---
**Author:** ![mostlylong](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/mostlylong/32/3943_2.png) [@mostlylong](https://discussion.fool.com/u/mostlylong)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 10:31pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/10 "2025-11-05T22:31:25Z")
> [@DrBob2](#): > > seemed disbelieving back in June Help me. I need more sentences. Disbelieving of what? ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2025, 11:32pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/11 "2025-11-05T23:32:34Z")
> [@mostlylong](#): > > I need more sentences. Disbelieving of what? Disbelieving of the slowdown in the US EV rollout. Go back and read the thread I linked. For example, when GM decided to not spent $300 million on EV engine manufacturing at their Tonawanda plant and instead spend $800 million on making V-8 ICE engines, you thought that was cherry picked data. DB2 ---
**Author:** ![mostlylong](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/mostlylong/32/3943_2.png) [@mostlylong](https://discussion.fool.com/u/mostlylong)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2025, 3:42am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/12 "2025-11-06T03:42:57Z")
> [@DrBob2](#): > > GM decided to not spent $300 million on EV engine manufacturing at their Tonawanda plant and instead spend $800 million on making V-8 ICE engines, you thought that was cherry picked data. Here you cite one OEM just like in the other thread. I cited US and global market data over all producers. So yeah, you’re sounding kind of “selective” again. Anyone can go back and read that thread for what evidence was and was not given, so I won’t repeat the facts again here. We all know why the US market for EVs might be less active in the near term, but I’m pretty sure the global, secular trend remains that is supported by the comprehensive data already given. Here is how I left it. Never heard back on this one: > [@Bill Ford-Big Beautiful Budget Will Gut US Auto Industry](https://discussion.fool.com/t/bill-ford-big-beautiful-budget-will-gut-us-auto-industry/118729/37): > > Let me ask you this, how would you forecast EV, electrified (EV + Hybrid) US market share in 5 years? > > In 5 years, will US market share be lower, about unchanged, or higher for > > - EVs ? > - all electrified ? > > What would you forecast? ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2025, 1:32pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/13 "2025-11-06T13:32:54Z")
> [@Bill Ford-Big Beautiful Budget Will Gut US Auto Industry](https://discussion.fool.com/t/bill-ford-big-beautiful-budget-will-gut-us-auto-industry/118729/37): > > In 5 years, will US market share be lower, about unchanged, or higher for EVs? I think there will be slow growth. What is not happening, as noted by albaby, is what happened in Norway – once sales reached 10% then they would follow an s-curve rapidly up to 80%. It is worth noting that in California EV sales have plateaued at around 20% over the last two years. DB2 ---
**Author:** ![Goofyhoofy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/goofyhoofy/32/4721_2.png) [@Goofyhoofy](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Goofyhoofy)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2025, 2:35pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/14 "2025-11-06T14:35:20Z")
> [@DrBob2](#): > > What is not happening, as noted by albaby, is what happened in Norway – once sales reached 10% then they would follow an s-curve rapidly up to 80%. I’m not sure most people thought the world would follow Norway’s path. They had significant monetary incentives (no VAT, no registration fees, discounts on toll roads and ferries, free public parking) as well as non-monetary incentives (access to bus lanes, public charging infrastructure, incentives for businesses and apartment buildings to install chargers). Likewise in the monetary section should be “higher taxes on ICE cars, higher fuel taxes on gas and diesel” and even reduced taxation of company cars for an extended period. Finally there’s the political dimension. Norway has no domestic automobile manufacturers, so there was no organized effort to disable the push to EV’s. In many other countries: (i.e. US, Germany, France, Canada, Mexico, etc.) there are potent lobbying organizations which would necessarily try to push back on any/all such efforts - as we have seen with the huge contributions from the oil lobby to the incumbent President. So no, EVs will have to grow naturally in the US. It’s worth pointing out that while the sales curve has flattened (not reversed, I note), the percentage of EV cars on the road continues to climb, as older cars being retired are almost exclusively ICE, and newer cars are 20-25% EV. That growth will continue to provide incentives to install charging infrastructure, research into better batteries, more knowledgable service centers, and so on. Personally I think it would be cool if we would lead in this category - as we did in ICE cars a century ago - but that seems destined to be a dream. So we will let a major industry flow elsewhere, even as we watch the technology and dollars flow outside our borders. Not a very good strategy, methinks, but there’s not much I can do about it. ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2025, 2:58pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/15 "2025-11-06T14:58:16Z")
> [@Goofyhoofy](#): > > the percentage of EV cars on the road continues to climb, as older cars being retired are almost exclusively ICE, and newer cars are 20-25% EV. The number of EVs sold in the second quarter of this year was 311K. The total number of light-duty vehicles sold was 4.2 million. 311/4200 = 7.4% As for the total on the road, EVs make up about 2.2% in the US. > **[Electric Vehicle Sales and Market Share (US - Q3 2025 Updates)](https://caredge.com/guides/electric-vehicle-market-share-and-sales)** > > Automakers are rapidly launching electrified lineups. This page will be updated with the latest EV market share and sales numbers in 2025. > **[Auto Industry Sales Report | USA | Car Sales Data by Quarter](https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/sales-report.html)** > > US automotive sales data. All major car brands. Light-duty car sales numbers listed & ranked. (1) GM (2) Toyota (3) Ford (4) Hyundai (5) Honda. DB2 ---
**Author:** ![Goofyhoofy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/goofyhoofy/32/4721_2.png) [@Goofyhoofy](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Goofyhoofy)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2025, 3:48pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/16 "2025-11-06T15:48:16Z")
> [@DrBob2](#): > > As for the total on the road, EVs make up about 2.2% in the US. Of course they do. ICE cars have been around for a century, EV’s for under a decade. Quick question: five years from now, would you expect that 2.2% to be the same, higher, or lower? ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2025, 4:54pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/17 "2025-11-06T16:54:04Z")
> [@Goofyhoofy](#): > > Quick question: five years from now, would you expect that 2.2% to be the same, higher, or lower? Higher, but not by a lot. If EV sales are 7-8% of current sales, then that puts a limit on the growth and the average age of US cars being around 13 years puts a limit on the growth rate. DB2 ---
**Author:** ![albaby1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/albaby1/32/12772_2.png) [@albaby1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/albaby1)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2025, 5:01pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/18 "2025-11-06T17:01:42Z")
> [@Goofyhoofy](#): > > I’m not sure most people thought the world would follow Norway’s path. I think a fair number did. I recall a lot of optimism about “S-curves” - that once adoption reached a certain level of penetration (10% sticks in my head), there would be a snowball effect that quickly led to near-full penetration in a very short time period. That the virtuous cycle of more EV’s leading to more chargers/fewer gas stations leading to more convenience leading to more EV’s would just inexorably lead to a **very** fast pace of adoption. They genuinely thought every country would follow an S-curve - and that the global market would do so as well. Here’s an example: [The EV Revolution in Five Charts and Not Too Many Numbers - RMI](https://rmi.org/the-ev-revolution-in-five-charts-and-not-too-many-numbers/) I think a fair number of those folks underestimated the degree to which countries like Norway and similar fast adopters had **very** atypical incentive and policy frameworks that caused their adoption rates to look like that. There was a lot of optimism that the s-curve was just how EV adoption worked, and once you reached the tipping point of more than 5-10% or so, the rest would just follow. ---
**Author:** ![tjscott0](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/tjscott0/32/1083_2.png) [@tjscott0](https://discussion.fool.com/u/tjscott0)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2025, 5:20pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/19 "2025-11-06T17:20:03Z")
Some better EV statistics. > **[Top Selling Electric Vehicles In USA's Blockbuster 3rd Quarter — Plus The...](https://cleantechnica.com/2025/11/05/top-selling-electric-vehicles-in-usas-blockbuster-3rd-quarter-plus-the-losers/)** > > Support CleanTechnica's work through a Substack subscription or on Stripe. As we all know, the US electric vehicle market had a great 3rd quarter due to the EV tax credit being given a death sentence and people rushing to buy EVs before October 1... Tesla is still kicking \*ss; but this years number, I believe are down from last years. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/original/3X/b/e/beae0ff8fd4f47773a7ab2c62a13f64ec0210741.png) And sales of EVs are increasing but pale in contrast with IC sales. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/original/3X/1/8/18db2e93085575d7a223e3744d0cc1bfdc235aa0.png) > **[Tesla Dropped to 41% of US EV Sales in Q3 — Who Rose? - CleanTechnica](https://cleantechnica.com/2025/11/06/tesla-dropped-to-41-of-us-ev-sales-in-q3-who-rose/)** > > Support CleanTechnica's work through a Substack subscription or on Stripe. Following our quarterly report on US electric vehicle sales overall and broken down by model, let’s now get to the breakdown by brand and auto group. Instead of just looking... ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/original/3X/2/7/27a01ec5da364eef10ee3c51d177a85ad0d63fe6.png) Can EVs dominate the US vehicle market. Yes, but very likely not in a decade or two unless the US government bans ICE vehicles. ---
**Author:** ![flyerboys](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/flyerboys/32/2123_2.png) [@flyerboys](https://discussion.fool.com/u/flyerboys)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2025, 5:31pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992/20 "2025-11-06T17:31:25Z")
> [@tjscott0](#): > > ery likely not in a decade or two unless the US government bans ICE vehicles. Or taxes petrol and “neutralizes” the economic impact by rebating all such taxes to all USAian taxpayers equally, like was proposed waaaay back in the 1980’s — by neo-liberal think tanks — as the most sane way to deal with the problems of petrol energy. Loooong sigh. [Next page](https://discussion.fool.com/t/right-wing-push-back-agin-eu-adoption-of-evs/121992.md?page=2)