# Sunnova continues to slide **URL:** \ **Category:** Renewable Energy\ **Created:** [February 12, 2025, 2:27pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/sunnova-continues-to-slide/113392 "2025-02-12T14:27:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mschmit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/mschmit/32/1404_2.png) [@mschmit](https://discussion.fool.com/u/mschmit)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2025, 5:18pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/sunnova-continues-to-slide/113392/21 "2025-06-17T17:18:52Z")
> [@MarkR](#): > > Shockingly, Toyota, perhaps the best automaker in the world, is one of the offenders (their bZ4X, for example, is a terrible EV, with a terrible name). Your list is too short. It also has a DC charging speed that is substandard for fast charging on a road trip (100kw max just increased to 150kw while Tesla and most others are 250kw going to 325/350kw), has a terrible drivetrain layout that prevents a useful frunk and costs way too much for its feature set. They spent all their engineering money for new platforms on hydrogen. Mike ---
**Author:** ![MarkR](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/markr/32/2011_2.png) [@MarkR](https://discussion.fool.com/u/MarkR)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2025, 5:42pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/sunnova-continues-to-slide/113392/22 "2025-06-17T17:42:58Z")
> [@mschmit](#): > > They spent all their engineering money for new platforms on hydrogen. As far as I can tell, they only have one hydrogen powered vehicle, the [Toyota Mirai](https://www.toyota.com/mirai/), and I don’t see any of them around here. They’re probably mostly in Japan with maybe some in CA. And I doubt they can sell well anywhere in the USA because they are way too expensive when compared to most BEV offerings in that class (Hyundai/Kia, Tesla, GM, Ford, etc). ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2025, 11:03pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/sunnova-continues-to-slide/113392/23 "2025-06-17T23:03:36Z")
> [@Goofyhoofy](#): > > I’m remembering all the people who said “I would never have a computer in my house”. Interest in buying an EV will change in the future. What I’m pointing out is that interest has been declining for several years. That is important to know because it will slow the market penetration – which will impact future carbon dioxide emissions, demand for batteries, pressure on the electric grid et cetera. These things, contra to jaagu’s claim, are not “trivial stories”. DB2 ---
**Author:** ![mostlylong](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/mostlylong/32/3943_2.png) [@mostlylong](https://discussion.fool.com/u/mostlylong)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2025, 12:39am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/sunnova-continues-to-slide/113392/24 "2025-06-18T00:39:40Z")
> [@DrBob2](#): > > Interest in buying an EV will change in the future. What I’m pointing out is that interest has been declining for several years. That is important to know because it will slow the market penetration In another thread I asked the below question. Never got a response. Care to make a forecast? (please choose your own definition of what is meaningfully lower or higher) > [@Bill Ford-Big Beautiful Budget Will Gut US Auto Industry](https://discussion.fool.com/t/bill-ford-big-beautiful-budget-will-gut-us-auto-industry/118729/37): > > Let me ask you this, how would you forecast EV, electrified (EV + Hybrid) US market share in 5 years? > > In 5 years, will US market share be lower, about unchanged, or higher for > > - EVs ? > - all electrified ? > > What would you forecast? ---
**Author:** ![Goofyhoofy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/goofyhoofy/32/4721_2.png) [@Goofyhoofy](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Goofyhoofy)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2025, 12:27pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/sunnova-continues-to-slide/113392/25 "2025-06-18T12:27:16Z")
> [@DrBob2](#): > > What I’m pointing out is that interest has been declining for several years. What you joint out is _stated interest_ in a few surveys, while actual sales clearly shows the market moving in the opposite direction. EV sales have gone up every single year, worldwide, since at least 2015, while gas combustion (passenger) sales peaked in 2017, and have been declining ever since. ![IMG_0426](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/original/3X/8/0/80df3b5a27cc85397d555db610df3888144a55b5.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2025, 1:30pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/sunnova-continues-to-slide/113392/26 "2025-06-18T13:30:01Z")
> [@Goofyhoofy](#): > > What you joint out is _stated interest_ in a few surveys, while actual sales clearly shows the market moving in the opposite direction. The two are not contradictory. The recent AAA survey found that 16% reported they were likely or very likely to buy a BEV. Since actual BEV sales were 8% there is clearly room for BEV sales to grow (and they have been). However, that 16% was 25% (a decline of over a third) just three years ago. DB2 ---
**Author:** ![DrBob2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/drbob2/32/3456_2.png) [@DrBob2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/DrBob2)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2025, 1:31pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/sunnova-continues-to-slide/113392/27 "2025-06-18T13:31:38Z")
> [@mostlylong](#): > > In another thread I asked the below question. Never got a response. Care to make a forecast? No. My tarot license was revoked decades ago, and I never had any crystal balls. DB2 [Previous page](https://discussion.fool.com/t/sunnova-continues-to-slide/113392.md?page=1)