# The 10 Worst States to Live In **URL:** \ **Category:** Macro Economic Trends and Risks\ **Created:** [July 25, 2022, 5:24pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976 "2022-07-25T17:24:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![telegraph](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/telegraph/32/3024_2.png) [@telegraph](https://discussion.fool.com/u/telegraph)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 11:06am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/21 "2022-07-26T11:06:42Z")
“We are going to check out Charlotte, NC soon, mostly because one of our kids lives there. Obviously summer would be the season we would leave there, but winters look decent and boy are there recreational water opportunities, great trails, and serious pickleball. Portland, ME is the flip side of that coin, or Pittsburgh, PA.” Nearly every place has it’s problems. If you want year round consistent weather, HI is the place to be. Not too hot (breezes) not too cold, moderate weather year round. Expensive and far from the rest of the USA if you get island fever. My parents, when they retired, bought a manufactured home in Briny Breezes FL about 20 miles south of West Palm Beach. Along the Atlantic coast. Had tons of activities for active seniors (had to be 55+ to live there). They spend about 5 months a year there (winter) with moderate temps. Then come mid March they headed north. Stopped in VA to visit the kids for a couple weeks then to Lake George NY for the summer - about 4 months of good weather there. Maybe 5 months. Then back south with stop in VA …and on to FL for the winter. I lived in central VA (Lynchburg). winters - colder - weeks of snow and real cold but didn’t last long. Nice spring/fall but hot muggy summer months. Still lots to do. Some days hot muggy/other days nice with breeze. There 13 years. Lived in Arlington VA…decent weather except July/Aug with high heat and high humidity. Snow in winter. I doubt you’ll find a place other than southern CA that doesn’t have snow and doesn’t get too hot, although LA has been getting hotter and hotter and some summer sizzle. If you can be a snow bird for 4-5 months a year…that works for many states including New England, MN, WI, etc. Winters there can be 8 months long. we have an annual get together in late April in Traverse City MI . Most years is barely over 40F for the days we are there. warms up right after that - for the 4 summer months. A lot of FL snowbirds head north to NC (often to the mountains, like Asheville) for the summer…from April to Nov. t. ---
**Author:** ![UpNorthJoe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/upnorthjoe/32/1083_2.png) [@UpNorthJoe](https://discussion.fool.com/u/UpNorthJoe)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 11:16am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/22 "2022-07-26T11:16:02Z")
## “Superior shore? Well, maybe in August, when the air temp is above freezing. Seems like anywhere on the lakeshore, including Traverse, is a good place to have an Alberta Clipper break your ears off.” I know I’m weird, but I like winter. Last winter we were having a slow start to getting any snow, so drove up to Munising and Marquette and ski’d up there for a couple of days. It was a whole different world, driving on M28 was a white knuckle, 20-25mph adventure. Those are some tough, hardy people that live in that snowbelt, makes the lower peninsula snowbelts feel almost tropical, lol. ---
**Author:** ![jerryab2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/jerryab2/32/3274_2.png) [@jerryab2](https://discussion.fool.com/u/jerryab2)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 12:05pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/23 "2022-07-26T12:05:41Z")
_I was there in…_ As I suspected, your “extreme cold” examples are almost exclusively from OUTSTATE MN, especially the most northerly parts by the Canadian border. Those areas are KNOWN for getting cold. HOWEVER, you OMITTED a very important fact. Remember International Falls, MN? It was, IN THE PAST, known for being shown on TV commercials for new cars–because the cars were TESTED AT VERY COLD TEMPS. Guess what? All those businesses LEFT THE US and went well into Canada–because International Falls was TOO WARM. Nothing contradicts a believer in “too cold” than when BUSINESS LEAVES because it is TOO WARM. Talk is cheap. Business MOVING proves it IS warming SIGNIFICANTLY all over the US–even in northern MN. ---
**Author:** ![WilliB](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/willib/32/6136_2.png) [@WilliB](https://discussion.fool.com/u/WilliB)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 12:17pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/24 "2022-07-26T12:17:24Z")
I don’t think these best/worst lists ever take weather into consideration. I could never take Vermont winters, no matter how nice the summers are. Of course, I’ve lived in Florida, on Long Island, in Louisiana, and the low part of Maryland, so humidity and I are old friends. ---
**Author:** ![PucksFool](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/pucksfool/32/47955_2.png) [@PucksFool](https://discussion.fool.com/u/PucksFool)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 12:18pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/25 "2022-07-26T12:18:32Z")
What I learned from this exercise is that weather is the only thing that matters to the posters at METaR. Wendy, it looks like all those economic posts are OT this is a weather focused board. ---
**Author:** ![flyerboys](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/flyerboys/32/2123_2.png) [@flyerboys](https://discussion.fool.com/u/flyerboys)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 12:29pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/26 "2022-07-26T12:29:59Z")
When you cannot talk about politics, religion, or juicy sex you talk about the weather. It is the conversational equivalent of twiddling thumbs. Innocent, mildly intersting, and mostly without controversy. Now climate? That is politics and religion combined… david fb ---
**Author:** ![syke6](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/syke6/32/26265_2.png) [@syke6](https://discussion.fool.com/u/syke6)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 12:37pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/27 "2022-07-26T12:37:58Z")
_I don’t think these best/worst lists ever take weather into consideration._ These best/worst lists don’t take most important factors into consideration. Like where you social network is located or what your hobbies are. Basically just click bait. ---
**Author:** ![warrl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/warrl/32/3526_2.png) [@warrl](https://discussion.fool.com/u/warrl)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 1:33pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/28 "2022-07-26T13:33:51Z")
_and I’m much less likely to buy asparagus_ Some stores price asparagus by the bundle - leave those bundles alone, buy a whole bundle or none. Others price it by the pound - and you can take just the amount you need. You’ll pay only for what you take (and presumably will use), and whoever gets the rest of the bundle will pay for only what you leave behind. Fair to everyone, and far more convenient and less wasteful than buying a whole bundle only to see 2/3 of it rot. (I usually buy 6-10 of the thinner stalks, to put in a stir-fry.) ---
**Author:** ![inparadise](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/inparadise/32/3249_2.png) [@inparadise](https://discussion.fool.com/u/inparadise)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 1:47pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/29 "2022-07-26T13:47:37Z")
_We are going to check out Charlotte, NC soon, mostly because one of our kids lives there. Obviously summer would be the season we would leave there, but winters look decent and boy are there recreational water opportunities, great trails, and serious pickleball. Portland, ME is the flip side of that coin, or Pittsburgh, PA._ _…_ _Summer lasts from May to end of September, sometimes into October._ _PSU_ Yeah, same as here, but at least we wouldn’t have to leave for winter, too. I am happy enough living in two places, but three is one too much. 6 months in Charlotte, 6 months elsewhere, would be good. And if we get a lake house, it could pay for itself during high season, when we don’t want to be there. Or we wait for the pooch to pass and we head to HI. Not going to put him in quarantine. Either way, we are out of here. IP ---
**Author:** ![inparadise](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/inparadise/32/3249_2.png) [@inparadise](https://discussion.fool.com/u/inparadise)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 1:52pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/30 "2022-07-26T13:52:34Z")
_What I learned from this exercise is that weather is the only thing that matters to the posters at METaR._ I would have to say all things warfare related is topic number 1, whether it be planes, submarines, history of war or current affairs. IP ---
**Author:** ![warrl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/warrl/32/3526_2.png) [@warrl](https://discussion.fool.com/u/warrl)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 1:54pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/31 "2022-07-26T13:54:32Z")
_So we have decided to start looking for a new home base, at a minimum where we only have to be gone for one season._ Supposedly the two best areas in the US, in terms of relatively stable year-round climate, are the San Francisco Bay area and the extreme northeast corner of Florida. The former is subject to a fair number of natural and unnatural disasters including earthquakes, wildfires, and the state and local government. The latter occasionally, rarely, gets hit by a hurricane - and those, usually, weakened by having just come across the peninsula. I’ve (so far) never been to either place. ---
**Author:** ![inparadise](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/inparadise/32/3249_2.png) [@inparadise](https://discussion.fool.com/u/inparadise)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 1:56pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/32 "2022-07-26T13:56:28Z")
_(I usually buy 6-10 of the thinner stalks, to put in a stir-fry.)_ Wow. You are missing out. We buy 2lbs at a time, which makes about 3 sides for meals for the two of us, or 6 servings altogether. Wash, trim, spray with olive oil, salt and pepper, then roast at 400F for 10 minutes in the toaster oven, or until al dente. So easy and so good. IP ---
**Author:** ![inparadise](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/inparadise/32/3249_2.png) [@inparadise](https://discussion.fool.com/u/inparadise)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 2:00pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/33 "2022-07-26T14:00:51Z")
_Supposedly the two best areas in the US, in terms of relatively stable year-round climate, are the San Francisco Bay area and the extreme northeast corner of Florida._ _The former is subject to a fair number of natural and unnatural disasters including earthquakes, wildfires, and the state and local government. The latter occasionally, rarely, gets hit by a hurricane - and those, usually, weakened by having just come across the peninsula._ Sis lives in the San Francisco area. You can add wildfire smoke and droughts to that list. I lived in the Caribbean for 8 years and had my fill of hurricanes already. Winter would be OK, in theory. Who knows with the changing climate. That said, the Villages is a pickleball mecca, and the public pickleball courts in Bradenton, FL are simply a work of art… IP ---
**Author:** ![warrl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/warrl/32/3526_2.png) [@warrl](https://discussion.fool.com/u/warrl)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 2:05pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/34 "2022-07-26T14:05:18Z")
_What I learned from this exercise is that weather is the only thing that matters to the posters at METaR._ Well, a lot of us are retired and living on pensions (of various sorts) and investments. We can live anywhere, and invest totally independently of where we live. A few of us even have the bulk of our investments in nations we don’t live in. ---
**Author:** ![jaagu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/jaagu/32/6160_2.png) [@jaagu](https://discussion.fool.com/u/jaagu)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 7:07pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/35 "2022-07-26T19:07:23Z")
Portland, ME is the flip side of that coin, or Pittsburgh, PA. Open to suggestions. Looks as though MN needs to be checked out. ========================================== I lived 4 years in Pittsburgh, PA. I liked it for the most part, but I was shocked by the lack of clear blue skies like California. I found Minnesota had much more clear blue skies and less humidity than the states south and east of Minnesota. Jaak ---
**Author:** ![Howie52](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/howie52/32/3610_2.png) [@Howie52](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Howie52)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2022, 9:13pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/36 "2022-07-26T21:13:58Z")
Everyone knows that every place in all states is precisely the same and everyone in every state is precisely the same and everyone everywhere values the same things to the same degree - always. Howie52 ---
**Author:** ![saunafool](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/saunafool/32/3307_2.png) [@saunafool](https://discussion.fool.com/u/saunafool)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2022, 7:59am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/37 "2022-07-27T07:59:51Z")
_MN is horrible_ If your sole criteria is “cold weather” then MN isn’t for you. But let’s see how it compares to TX: ```auto Factor MN TX Per-Capita Income $74,593 $64,034 Income growth (2011--2019) 3.35% 3.11% Violent Crime per 100,000 277 446 Air Quality Ranking (US News) 14th 40th Education Ranking 17th 34th Health Care Ranking 16th 31st ``` And let’s not forget, MN is one of a few states where there are thousands of lakes and retiring with a lake home is a realistic aspiration. There are so many beautiful spots, with clean water, bald eagles flying in the sky, great fishing, and night skies filled with the northern lights. If I were to retire in the USA, a lake house in MN would be my #1 choice for quality and relative affordability. When it’s cold, take a sauna. ---
**Author:** ![inparadise](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/inparadise/32/3249_2.png) [@inparadise](https://discussion.fool.com/u/inparadise)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2022, 10:46am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/38 "2022-07-27T10:46:19Z")
_I found Minnesota had much more clear blue skies and less humidity than the states south and east of Minnesota._ Wow. Crazy high taxes that apply to everything, even SS. At that rate, might as well go to CA and call it even with only 1 house rather than two. On the other hand, meets a lot of my criteria. IP ---
**Author:** ![EverettRuess](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/everettruess/32/2612_2.png) [@EverettRuess](https://discussion.fool.com/u/EverettRuess)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2022, 11:15am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/39 "2022-07-27T11:15:31Z")
[https://pixels.com/featured/2-boynton-overlook-on-highway-12…](https://pixels.com/featured/2-boynton-overlook-on-highway-12-in-grand-staircase-escalante-national-monument-utah-ruth-hager.html) ---
**Author:** ![UpNorthJoe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/upnorthjoe/32/1083_2.png) [@UpNorthJoe](https://discussion.fool.com/u/UpNorthJoe)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2022, 11:58am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976/40 "2022-07-27T11:58:23Z")
EverettRuess, that link is probably everyday viewing for you, but it is so different than what the midwest looks like, looks so beautiful. Definitely like visiting Utah and the SW, assuming water is available. Don’t think I could live there, but sure like visiting. [Previous page](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976.md?page=1) [Next page](https://discussion.fool.com/t/the-10-worst-states-to-live-in/72976.md?page=3)