I watched your video, it was disturbing, though on reflection probably prudent to not storm in and start arresting them. That would lead to violence.
Did that the Muslim group start rioting? It didn’t seem so.
I watched your video, it was disturbing, though on reflection probably prudent to not storm in and start arresting them. That would lead to violence.
Did that the Muslim group start rioting? It didn’t seem so.
BTW, the Muslim population in the UK is about 4 million, less than 7% of the population.
Many areas of Britain are poor. I recently saw something that said that wages (ignoring London) are, on average lower than the poorest US state, Mississippi. These areas are in the north of England and some part of Wales. It is to these areas that immigrants tend to go. This creates pressure on wages, housing and public services.
For year politicians have been promising to solve the problem but haven’t. I recently saw a figures which said that one in thirty people walking the streets of England came here in the last two years. People feel disenfranchised and forgotten. Riots were very common in England at one time, when people didn’t have a vote. Now people feel that their votes are worthless and riots ensue. There is more to riots than you might think:
The WEF has researched this:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/09/what-s-new-is-old-how-economic-discontent-triggered-unrest-in-the-past/
Apparently they don’t only hate Muslim immigrants that don’t acclimate to the local culture, they also hate African immigrants that don’t acclimate to the local culture. The murderer of the 3 girls was from a Rwandan refugee family.
You, like many others, miss the point. We don’t hate them, we just do not want them here!
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Another immigrant, another child and another knife:
If “civil war is inevitable”, who are the expected belligerents?
I grew up in the UK but haven’t lived there in over 30 years. Maybe it has changed much while I’ve been away?
British thugs do like to riot now and again. I remember summer riots as a kid, and the poll tax riots. Nothing new here. And immigration has been a big issue for a long time. Wasn’t Brexit really about “controlling our borders”?
No idea. All I did was mention something that Musk said that upset Starmer and his cohorts. Musk has a right to his views however extreme. Rowley (police chief) is now threatening to extradite people from other countries for expressing opinions:
I bet that frightened Musk
Other countries are under no obligation to allow communication services or particular apps to be used. Easier in China, for instance, where you can’t Facebook or Google (without workarounds), but also true in the US (where some in government are trying to ban TikTok) or the UK or elsewhere. That could put a hurt on advertising supported businesses which might potentially lose tens or hundreds of thousands of eyeballs all at once.
If Musk’s unpatrolled site produces calls for violence (followed by actual violence) I wouldn’t be surprised to see calls and/or legislation making it difficult or impossible to use.
Supply side economics does that.
If there is a “bad moon on the rise” I don’t think it is what Turchin is describing. For all the gloom and doom it would be difficult to find a decade in US history that, from a progressive POV, is better than today.
The current Republican party is a reaction to the long-term liberalization of American society that has been going on since the end of WWII.
The potential bad moons are ecological and technological. They are climate change and the possible negative impacts of AI.
To put a finer point on this, I think it is the significant increase in the speed of the liberalization, more so than the liberalization.
There has been a lot of things that require adaptation on the part of conservatives in just the last five years and they understandably are reacting to it - and in some cases reacting their nose being rubbed in it.
Well maybe, but unless the speed is “zero” they’re going to complain. Slavery was supposed to be “term limited” at the time of the Constitution fixing. 75 years later it took a civil war. Another 100 years before actual civil rights legislation and then - 40 years of stalling, denial until finally force busing, action against banks for redlining, and a host of other things finally caused the dam to break.
Abortion. Settled 50 years ago except oops, it wasn’t. Same sex marriage, 10 years and counting. How long until that one is swept away by a reactionary court as well?
Ever since farming ended as a predominant industry there has been change afoot. Some people were lucky enough not to have been disrupted (coal miners, steel mill workers etc - if you timed it right) but then “change” comes for all of them. I grew up with radio & TV, industries which are fading into the dust, although there are similar replacements (satellite, streaming) if that’s your thing.
It isn’t really “the speed”, it’s the idea of “change at all.” And yes, it does take time for some to adapt. Younger people seem to have little problem with gays or minorities - or at least a lot less than our generation did, which in turn had less than my parents’ generation did.
But change is gonna come. It always has. It always will. And that will always cause some dislocation, disruption, and disagreement among voters. Ah well, C’est la vie.
It is not just change that is causing this reaction from the Right. It is liberalization, i.e., the increase in personal freedoms, and the question of whether people are responsible enough to deserve those freedoms. We’ve discussed this before in the context of social media, so it is also an economic issue.
Free speech is essential to democracy. But we empirically know that unregulated speech in social media has resulted in bots spreading disinformation to manipulate elections, harassment, intimidation, criminal activity, etc. Social media needs to be regulated.
Consider abortion. The right to control one’s body is obvious. But the widespread use of abortion in places like India and China to eliminate females has had enormous negative social and macroeconomic consequences, so I think a good argument can be made that in some places a right to unrestricted abortion is not in the public good.
It is why there is a need for a strong two-party political system in the US that moderates the excesses of each end of the political spectrum. While the political deadlock that has made US governing so ineffective over the past couple of decades is frustrating, I think it may be an example of the American system actually working to our best interests. It may be that the best thing a polarized society can do is nothing until it finds common ground.
Seems to me that the issue there is the government policy, not the control over one’s own body. I.e., the policy is to force abortion of females or children beyond the first or whatever … just another example of government control over bodies.
Don’t think it was a government policy. Sex selection abortion is a personal decision driven by culture, religion, or economic necessity. In India this is being dealt with by government restrictions on prenatal testing. Sometimes you can’t just let people decide on their own.
Also now becoming an issue in Vietnam…
Globally, it appears to be a major issue…
I would argue that a strong MULTI-party political system would be more effective in moderating the excesses.
The problem with the 2-party system is that every choice/regulation is a binary choice.
Compromise is not necessarily encouraged. In fact, when compromise/negotiation was more prevalent, the issue was “they’re both the same”.
The perp, Axel Rudakubana, a man “originally from Cardiff” with mental-health issues, has been revealed to be in possession of The al-Qaeda Training Manual and supplies of ricin.
Statement from Chief Constable Serena Kennedy and partners following further charges for Axel Rudakubana
https://www.merseyside.police.uk/news/merseyside/news/2024/october/statement-from-chief-constable-serena-kennedy-and-partners-following-further-charges-for-axel-rudakubana/
The additional charges are:
1. Production of a biological toxin, namely ricin, contrary to Section 1 of the Biological Weapons Act 1974.
2. Possessing information, namely a pdf file entitled “Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants: The Al-Qaeda Training Manual” of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism, contrary to Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000.
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I wrote:
“What I’ve seen in the press here (USA) is rioting by non-Muslims misinformed about the kid who killed those girls, the misinformation that he is a Muslim illegal immigrant, which he is not.”
Still true.
I think every last word of this stuff by y’all is nonsense.
The public has been fed a bunch of lies about how an economy is run. In the disaster of supply-side economics and the outsourcing of our wealth creation factories, there has been a 40 year greedy mad scramble just to hold a job. Retirements destroyed. Houses lost. Jobs lost. Marriages destroyed. Children without education.
Now you want to tell them it was all lies?
Because they became true believers decades ago.
Only about 27% of people care at all about Roe as in antiabortion. After that the flunkies do not know why we are here.
It is one of those ultimate J6P moments. The great unwashed.
Try again and avoid sociology next time. BTW avoid people who claim online to have Ph.D.s and then speak nonsense with authority.
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I sat down at the lunch counter yesterday evening next to a man my age who owns a small machine shop in his garage. He has done well. That is Connecticut.
We discussed corporate taxes. He said if taxes are lower on corporations they build more factories. We had a congenial discussion. He saw the problems with what he had said and the solutions and why they were solutions. He saw why his taxes would go down on the state and local levels if federal taxes on corporations were higher and the top bracket had a higher rate.
It is not hard. But no one can get up on the telly and wave a magic wand. Only the person who lies in 1981 or 2020 can act as if they are waving a magic wand at the masses.
True, and at the time (August) the BBC reported that
“The violence was started by false online rumours that the suspect in the Southport attack was a Muslim.”
Don’t know if he considers himself a Muslim, but he was studying the al-Qaeda training manual.
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