# Toyota Continues with New IC Engines **URL:** \ **Category:** Macro Economic Trends and Risks\ **Created:** [October 1, 2024, 3:11pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/toyota-continues-with-new-ic-engines/109157 "2024-10-01T15:11:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tjscott0](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/tjscott0/32/1083_2.png) [@tjscott0](https://discussion.fool.com/u/tjscott0)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 3:11pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/toyota-continues-with-new-ic-engines/109157/1 "2024-10-01T15:11:42Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/everything-we-know-so-far-about-toyota-s-game-changing-next-gen-combustion-engines/ar-BB1p3u2e](https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/everything-we-know-so-far-about-toyota-s-game-changing-next-gen-combustion-engines/ar-BB1p3u2e) _Everything We Know So Far About Toyota’s Game-Changing Next-Gen Combustion Engines_ _Toyota’s new hydrogen engines offer cleaner, efficient combustion for hybrid systems_ _Higher efficiency, compact size, and better performance with hybrid technology._ _Toyota innovates in hydrogen storage, fuel cell efficiency, and engine performance for a sustainable future._ _The company’s main goal is to drastically reduce carbon emissions while maintaining the performance and reliability that customers expect._ _Among the standout features of this new technology is a 1.5-liter engine available in both naturally aspirated and turbocharged versions, along with a 2.0-liter turbocharged unit. These engines are designed to be 10 to 20 percent smaller than their predecessors, yet they deliver the same or even better fuel efficiency and performance. What makes these engines truly revolutionary is their ability to run on a variety of carbon-neutral fuels, such as synthetic e-fuels, biodiesel, hydrogen, and gasoline._ [https://unionrayo.com/us/toyota-hybrid-engine-two-new-fuels/](https://unionrayo.com/us/toyota-hybrid-engine-two-new-fuels/) _Toyota is changing everything – no electric, no gasoline, this hybrid engine will use two completely new fuels and will not pollute at all._ _Despite the growing popularity of electric vehicles, Toyota remains committed to improving **internal combustion engines**. The company has announced the development of a new **hybrid engine** , which is vastly different from the inefficient and polluting engines of the past. This time, the engine produces **minimal greenhouse gas emissions**._ _Rather than using traditional fuels, this engine is powered by a blend of **diesel and natural gas** , two energy sources that have proven to be highly efficient. Toyota’s decision to pursue this technology is part of a broader strategy: they plan to offer **electric vehicles** in markets with strong infrastructure for charging stations, while continuing to develop alternatives for regions where that infrastructure is not yet fully established._ _One key advantage of this engine is its **compact size**. Toyota has managed to reduce the engine’s size by **20%** compared to other engines with similar power outputs, leading to greater **efficiency** and easier installation in a wide range of vehicles. This achievement is partly due to the use of **natural gas and diesel** , which have a high **energy density** relative to their volume._ _A major selling point of this hybrid engine is its ability to significantly reduce **emissions**. Thanks to Toyota’s optimized combustion system, the engine emits **50% to 70% fewer greenhouse gases** compared to conventional engines. This improvement is achieved without the need for a **catalytic converter** or **particle filters** , simplifying the engine’s design and lowering maintenance costs._ There will those that point out this new technology still pollutes compared to an EV. But we must factor in that lithium mining and other battery raw material mining cause pollution also. But that isn’t a static situation. Solid State batteries and LFP batteries are being produced for EVs. I don’t know the amount of pollution costs those alternatives add to the mix. A strike against this new Toyota technology is that there is no fueling infrastructure at the present time. Currently hybrid & plug in hybrid maintain good sale figures. Though that could change as charging stations reach ubiquitous level as gasoline stations. Interesting times ahead. ---
**Author:** ![Goofyhoofy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/goofyhoofy/32/4721_2.png) [@Goofyhoofy](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Goofyhoofy)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 4:31pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/toyota-continues-with-new-ic-engines/109157/2 "2024-10-01T16:31:25Z")
> [@tjscott0](#): > > A strike against this new Toyota technology is that there is no fueling infrastructure at the present time. Yeah, that’s sort of like saying “I’ve invented a microwave oven and even a television, now I must get to work figuring out electricity. ---
**Author:** ![albaby1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/albaby1/32/12772_2.png) [@albaby1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/albaby1)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 5:24pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/toyota-continues-with-new-ic-engines/109157/3 "2024-10-01T17:24:04Z")
> [@Goofyhoofy](#): > > Yeah, that’s sort of like saying “I’ve invented a microwave oven and even a television, now I must get to work figuring out electricity. Although isn’t that kind of what actually happened with electricity? Edison (and others) invented a new lighting fixture - the incandescent light bulb - and **then** everyone went to work figuring out an electricity distribution system. ---
**Author:** ![syke6](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/syke6/32/26265_2.png) [@syke6](https://discussion.fool.com/u/syke6)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 6:59pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/toyota-continues-with-new-ic-engines/109157/4 "2024-10-01T18:59:55Z")
Kind of impressive how little detail those articles contained for how long they are. The first article boiled down to Toyota adding water injection to their hydrogen ICE engines. The article claims this is game changing. I highly doubt that. This sounds more like an incremental improvement on existing hydrogen ICE engines. Water injection has some definite performance benefits but is not a new technology. Many WWII fighter aircraft had it, for example. The downside is that water injection adds complexity and cost, and it isn’t typically typically used in passenger vehicles except in high performance cars. The BMW M4 GTS and the Porsche 911 GT2 R, for example. Note: The M4 GTS was about double the price of a base M4. If you had to ask how much a GT2 R cost, you couldn’t afford it. So while you can add water injection to a hydrogen ICE, I’m skeptical as to how practical it is. I’m extremely skeptical (to say the least) about hydrogen vehicles in general, so there’s that too. The second article talked about an ICE running on a combo of diesel and natural gas. The article claimed it got 6.5 liters per 100 kilometers or about 36 miles per gallon. 36 mpg is good, but it isn’t _that_ good. And where do you buy the natural gas/diesel combo? ---
**Author:** ![syke6](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/syke6/32/26265_2.png) [@syke6](https://discussion.fool.com/u/syke6)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 7:11pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/toyota-continues-with-new-ic-engines/109157/5 "2024-10-01T19:11:29Z")
> [@albaby1](#): > > Although isn’t that kind of what actually happened with electricity? Edison (and others) invented a new lighting fixture - the incandescent light bulb - and **then** everyone went to work figuring out an electricity distribution system. Slight quibble. The electric lightbulb had enormous advantages over the alternatives. The hydrogen ICE does the same job as a gasoline ICE. Sure, there are no greenhouse gas emissions, but the hydrogen ICE can’t be as practical as the gasoline vehicle, until there is some large number of hydrogen filling stations. So even if you love the idea of a hydrogen vehicle, it might not get the job done for you. This is a chicken and the egg problem. There won’t be demand for hydrogen vehicles until there is a sufficient number of hydrogen filling stations. And there won’t be a demand for hydrogen filling stations until there is a sufficient number of hydrogen cars. ---
**Author:** ![albaby1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/albaby1/32/12772_2.png) [@albaby1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/albaby1)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2024, 7:33pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/toyota-continues-with-new-ic-engines/109157/6 "2024-10-01T19:33:04Z")
> [@syke6](#): > > Slight quibble. The electric lightbulb had enormous advantages over the alternatives. The hydrogen ICE does the same job as a gasoline ICE. Sure, there are no greenhouse gas emissions, but the hydrogen ICE can’t be as practical as the gasoline vehicle, until there is some large number of hydrogen filling stations. Oh, absolutely. I was just noodling what Goofy wrote, and it just occurred to me that it’s actually somewhat common that the development of the **product** happens before - and then drives - the infrastructure necessary for the product to be useful. Someone develops the light bulb, then we start solving for electricity distribution. Someone develops the automobile, and we start solving for filling stations. Someone develops the telegraph or telephone, and that’s when we start stringing up the lines. I agree that - unlike any of those technologies - a different fuel for an ICE car isn’t a “killer app” that’s going to drive any adoption. Here, I think Toyota is playing to the hometown audience. The Japanese government, for whatever reason, decided a while back that they were big believers in hydrogen as a tool for addressing their decarbonization goals - particularly in transportation. So that’s what they’ve been pushing: > **[Japan Hydrogen Basic Strategy | White & Case LLP](https://www.whitecase.com/insight-alert/japan-hydrogen-basic-strategy)** > > In June 2023, the Japanese government revised its "Hydrogen Basic Strategy" for the first time since its creation in 2017. The revised Hydrogen Basic Strategy sets out Japan's hydrogen strategy for the next five years. Automakers respond to incentives. Italy went big in for **natural gas** as an alternative fuel source, and so they’ve got a sizable market of LPG passenger cars (more LPG cars than BEV’s, actually). Japan appears to be aiming to be the Italy of hydrogen-fueled cars. So long as the Japanese government keeps trying to make hydrogen happen, Toyota’s probably going to accommodate. ---
**Author:** ![tjscott0](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/tjscott0/32/1083_2.png) [@tjscott0](https://discussion.fool.com/u/tjscott0)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 1:59am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/toyota-continues-with-new-ic-engines/109157/7 "2024-10-02T01:59:48Z")
> [@albaby1](#): > > > [@syke6](#): > > > > hydrogen ICE can’t be as practical as the gasoline vehicle, until there is some large number of hydrogen filling stations. > > albaby1 > Oh, absolutely. There weren’t very many charging stations in 2008 when the Tesla roadster came out. So it is possible that Toyota can create a market but not probably yet. ---
**Author:** ![syke6](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/syke6/32/26265_2.png) [@syke6](https://discussion.fool.com/u/syke6)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 2:20am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/toyota-continues-with-new-ic-engines/109157/8 "2024-10-02T02:20:33Z")
> [@tjscott0](#): > > There weren’t very many charging stations in 2008 when the Tesla roadster came out. > > So it is possible that Toyota can create a market but not probably yet. But you could charge at home and you can install a charger virtually anywhere you have electricity, which is almost everywhere so you could visual how it could work. So even back in 2008 you could get from home to the office and back–which is most trips and enjoy _ **amazing** _ acceleration on the way. For some people that works right off the bat. ---
**Author:** ![Leap1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/leap1/32/72176_2.png) [@Leap1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/Leap1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2024, 5:12am UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/toyota-continues-with-new-ic-engines/109157/9 "2024-10-02T05:12:03Z")
> [@syke6](#): > > Slight quibble. The electric lightbulb had enormous advantages over the alternatives. The hydrogen ICE does the same job as a gasoline ICE. Sure, there are no greenhouse gas emissions, A larger quibble, greenhouse gases are more costly than any of the systems we have actually created or will create. ---
**Author:** ![tjscott0](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/tjscott0/32/1083_2.png) [@tjscott0](https://discussion.fool.com/u/tjscott0)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2025, 4:58pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/toyota-continues-with-new-ic-engines/109157/10 "2025-08-12T16:58:54Z")
> **[Toyota Wants to Use Its New Gas Engines for Everything](https://www.motor1.com/news/768717/toyota-new-gas-engines-work-any-car/)** > > Toyota claims its new lineup of gas engines will work with pure ICE cars, hybrids, plug-in hybrids, and even EVs, likely as a generator to charge the battery. _Toyota is adamant that the internal combustion engine still has a bright future despite the rise of electric vehicles._ _We now know **the Japanese automotive giant plans to use the upcoming 1.5- and 2.0-liter engines in nearly every conceivable type of powertrain.** Toyota Europe Vice President of Product Strategy and Marketing Andrea Carlucci told [Automotive News](https://www.autonews.com/executives/ane-toyota-europe-andrea-carlucci-interview-month-0811/) the new hardware’s versatility is key: **“We are trying to optimize the new engine for any type of application, whether it’s electric, hybrid, or hydrogen.”** _ _While the idea of a gas engine in an electric application might sound odd, a plausible scenario exists. [Toyota](https://www.motor1.com/toyota/) is likely referring to extended-range electric vehicles (EREVs), where the combustion engine doesn’t drive the wheels but instead serves solely as a generator to recharge the battery on the go._ _Confirmed engines include naturally aspirated and turbocharged 1.5-liter units, along with a larger 2.0-liter turbo._ ---
**Author:** ![albaby1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/albaby1/32/12772_2.png) [@albaby1](https://discussion.fool.com/u/albaby1)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2025, 5:14pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/toyota-continues-with-new-ic-engines/109157/11 "2025-08-12T17:14:22Z")
> [@tjscott0](#): > > Toyota is adamant that the internal combustion engine still has a bright future despite the rise of electric vehicles. Seems right. Hybrids remain very popular in Europe and China, the two markets that have the biggest adoption of BEV’s, suggesting that even widespread availability of EV’s is not going to push PHEV’s and EREV’s out of the market. ---
**Author:** ![steve203](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/motleyfoolfree/user_avatar/discussion.fool.com/steve203/32/3302_2.png) [@steve203](https://discussion.fool.com/u/steve203)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2025, 5:23pm UTC](https://discussion.fool.com/t/toyota-continues-with-new-ic-engines/109157/12 "2025-08-12T17:23:48Z")
> [@albaby1](#): > > Seems right. Hybrids remain very popular in Europe and China, In Ford’s recent sales report, hybrid sales were growing at a brisk pace, while EV sales were falling. Of course, the hybrid Escape is being dropped, to produce more EVs, while the hybrid Maverick is hobbled by tariffs. > **[Ford US EV Sales Slide 0.2% in July, Hybrid Models Jump 11.8%](https://eletric-vehicles.com/ford/ford-us-ev-sales-slide-0-2-in-july-hybrid-models-jump-11-8/)** > > Detroit automaker Ford said on Friday its US sales rose 9.3% year on year in July to 189,313 units with hybrid vehicles posting the biggest increase. Steve