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Toilet Paper Is a Huge Source of Harmful ‘Forever Chemicals’ | Time

We are just trying to ruin everything that we know and trust for profit…doc


When will these sociopaths give a damn?

Getting an MBA to do this is so lame.

There are bamboo based TP that are PFAS free:


Which is better and why?

The Cloud Paper Bamboo TP because it is PFAS free.


If you look up Scott Brand you will not find evidence of pfas. I guess if it is in the waters the trees soak up in some rolls there would be trace amounts. But generally no pfas.

Charmin for some reason has pfas.

I use Scott Brand and it is far less expensive. Much prefer it.

I use Aldi’s brand. Same size roll/sheets as Scott, just less $$$.

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pfas? Do you know?


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Leap, your posts are sometimes obscure but this one is, uhmmm, as delphic as my drunk junior high girlfriend’s comments on the Monkees!?

Please come out of the fumes issuing from the fissure, breath some nice oxygen, and explain? Thnx.

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david fb,

If you had been reading the thread we are discussing pfas in toilet paper…because…we wipe…

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Do you have any documentation that Scott TP is PFAS free? BPA free? Tree free?

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Only when I do a search does the other big brand Charmin come up dirty. Whereas Scott has no findings in a search.

I guess they could try to use a reputation service but Scott is actually fragrance and chemical-free otherwise.

Let’s not have the chemical-free debate as some sort of caught-you moment.

I am not worried about trees. They grow back. The paper in other instances not going down the drain is recycled. I am really only concerned with using far too much plastic.

Bamboo TP requires ~1 gal water/roll and no trees
Tree TP requires ~37 gal water/roll and 1.5 lbs of wood

Bamboo regrows in ~2 years
Trees regrow in ~30 years

Bamboo TP is sustainable
Wood TP is not sustainable


Is the US reforesting?

In the United States, deforestation has been more than offset by reforestation between 1990 and 2010. The nation added 7,687,000 hectares (18,995,000 acres) of forested land during that period. The trend in reforesting areas has been driven by organizations such as the U.S. Forest Service and the Arbor Day Foundation.

@jaagu This is not land we water. Mostly. Europe is different. The global problem of deforestation is terrible. The US does not have that problem. Mostly.

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Are you sure?

But you forgot about the water.
Your wood based roll of TP requires 37 gal water / roll
My bamboo based TP requires 1 gal water / roll

300 million people x 100 rolls/person x 37 gals water/roll = 1,110,000 million gals water or 1.11 trillion gals of water per year just to make the wood based TP.

Moosehead Lake in Maine has 1.37 trillion gallons of water.

Moosehead Lake is a deep, coldwater lake located in Piscataquis County in Northwestern Maine. It is the largest lake in Maine, second-largest lake in New England (after Lake Champlain), and the largest mountain lake in the eastern United States.

Down here in CT in the less urban townships people buy a tract of land with a forest on it just to have it logged once every 25 years. They never water their property.

Root systems on trees are generally too deep to water.

Just because they aren’t spraying water on the property doesn’t mean that water isn’t being used. It all depends on the configuration, location, and use of the underlying aquifer.

I’m not sure that this argument is about exactly. It’s pretty well known by now that bamboo is perhaps the most efficient and quick grower of wood-like fiber. Bamboo is now routinely used for flooring materials, for furniture, for biofuel, for fabrics like bedsheets, disposable biodegradable utensils, paper, and apparently for TP as well.


Tree roots do not go deep enough to use aquifer water. There are no aquifers under much of the forested areas. The roots in areas with aquifers hold the soil together to take more water. Ever water a potted plant and most of the water comes out of the hole at the bottom of the pot?

Yes the trees use the water. Yes that means well water at times. It can mean streams and lakes as well have less water.

The real issue our US forests have a larger net positive reforestation. We have outside of our deserted areas plenty of water usually. Some 40% of our country is desert.

If you’d like to chop down the forests we could save on water. But I thought this was a discussion of adding more trees.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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