A taxing situation

My aunt’s will provided for her sister’s welfare. Any residue, after her sister’s passing, is to be donated to an animal rescue in Kalamazoo. The sister passed last month.

So, I plan on driving to Kazoo this summer, and writing a whacking big check, to a rather small operation.

Or.

Rather than the tax deduction for a six figure donation going to waste…

I could make the donation as “from Steven, in memory of Dorothy W******”, and claim the tax deduction? The place is a 501(c)(3) Apparently, the limit per year is 60% of my AGI. So I would be dolling out the money over several years.

Steve

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I assume you are the executor of the will, correct?

If so, you are entitled to a fee based on a percent of the value of the estate.

What was the exact wording in the will? That might constrain your options.

My best advice, consult with an estate attorney.

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Yes, I was the executor. The estate was closed 14 years ago. The lawyer who wrote the will pushed it through probate. The will says the bequest for my other aunt to be held in trust by me, for her benefit, for her life. Upon her death, the remnant of the estate is split between me and the animal rescue. The lawyer said his impression was the entire trust arrangement was to be informal. I did not want the funds mingled with mine, nor did I want to pay income tax on the several thousand dollars per year the money earned on bank CDs. So the money was kept segregated, I obtained a Federal tax ID number for the trust and I filed Federal and state 1041s every year since.

The exact wording says: “to be held in trust by my Personal Representative (me) for the benefit of my sister, Patricia, if they survive me. Upon completion of Personal Representative duties, Steven (me) is to continue as Trustee for the benefit of Patricia during her lifetime.” “Upon the death of Patricia, or if Patricia fails to survive me, I give 50% of her share to to my nephew Steven, and 50% to the Kalamazoo Animal Rescue, a Michigan non-profit corporation, Kalamazoo, Michigan”.

There are a couple CDs in the trust’s name remaining, which will mature within a few months. My intent is to, at that time, close the bank accounts, do a final accounting for the sum of the trust. Then, file “final” 2025 1041s for the trust.

I could pay out all the money in one gob, to the animal rescue, as soon as the last CD matures. Or, I could dump the money into my account, and keep an accounting of how much of that final total for the trust is paid out each year, and how much remains, so that I could enjoy the tax deductions, which would apparently knock some $35-40k off my AGI each year. I, of course, would have the “fun” of working out a prospective 1040, and AMT calculations, to see if it would work, but, I have done so many tax returns over the last 30 years, I think the peak was 7, for 1996, what’s one more?

Steve…paperwork is my life

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Steve: “I could pay out all the money in one gob, to the animal rescue, as soon as the last CD matures. Or, I could dump the money into my account…”

No, Steve, you can’t legally dump the money into your account regardless of how carefully you keep records.

You are the executor and trustee of the trust created by your aunt’s will. You MUST follow the instructions in your aunt’s will. What you are suggesting is illegal regardless of your good intentions.

Wendy

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Well, depends on how you parse the language.

“to be held in trust by my Personal Representative

“held in trust”, not “held in a trust”.

Definition of “trust”.

A trust is a fiduciary relationship in which a trustor gives another party, known as a trustee, the right to hold title to property or assets for the benefit of a third party.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/trust.asp

The advice of the lawyer who wrote that will was that it was intended to be informal, not a separate entity. But then, some of the other things that came out of his pie-hole lead to my deduction he was not a particularly reliable person. He was sketchy enough that I retained all the e-mail correspondence about the estate. His advice that the trust was intended to be informal may still be in my “in box” in my e-mail client.

Steve…cyawp

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If the trust has its own TIN (Trust Identification Number) and you file 1041s with the IRS then it is “a trust.” This is a well-defined entity with no parsing of language needed.

If the trust has language that describes the intent of the trustor then you must follow those directions as trustee.

I recommend “The Complete Book of Wills, Estates and Trusts,” by Alexander A. Bove Jr. Esq., Melissa Langa Esq. which is the best of the 3 or 4 books about trusts I read.

I am the trustee of 2 irrevocable trusts as well as my own revocable living trust. When DH dies I will be the trustee of his trust which will require me to take care of his sister. The stipulations of these trusts are not optional for me as trustee. Even my own trust must be re-written, re-notarized and re-witnessed if I want to change it. (Which I have done twice.)

The whole point of appointing a successor trustee is that the trustee must understand their obligation to follow the instructions in the trust.

The reason that I studied so assiduously is that my mother’s attorney was so incompetent that I insisted we walk out and find one that knew what they were doing.
Wendy

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“In trust” “In a trust” Same thing.

I’ll chime in my general agreement with Wendy. The money is not yours. You are holding it in trust (or in a trust, if you prefer) for the benefit of the beneficiaries of the trust - which include your aunt, then if funds remain, for you and the charity.

Since the money is not yours to give as you please, you cannot claim a tax deduction for it. In a small consolation prize, the trust CAN claim a deduction for the contribution, reducing it taxable income significantly for it’s final year.

But all is not lost. You may - big emphasis on “MAY” there - be able have the deduction in excess of 60% of the trust’s income pass through the trust to you for your use in the final year of the trust. That is generally the way unused deductions are handled in the final year of the trust, but I do not know for sure that the general rule applies to charitable contributions specifically. And I’m a bit too busy to dig into such details at the moment.

I would consult with a tax advisor knowledgeable in trusts on this issue.

–Peter

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That would be beneficial, except the trust’s income will be very small. There was an annuity with my aunt as the beneficiary, that the trust owned, with taxes withheld. Only one payment was made in 25, before she passed. I worked up pro-forma 2025 state and federal returns to see where I stand. Each return came out with a small amount, $100-$200 of tax due. That is where I want it. If there was a refund, then I would receive a refund check, made out in the name of the trust, meaning I would need to keep one of the trust bank accounts open, so I could deposit the check. Then there would be taxes due on the interest the account earned, while I was holding it open, so I could deposit the refund check. Then I would need to file 2026 1041s Ugh!

Steve

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@steve203

You will live long enough for the statue of limitations to run its course. The IRS is undermanned.

I say head for the endzone.

Not serious. This is not tax advice. This is wisebehinded fun.

Just remember running a computer program against all tax returns takes next to no manpower.

Unfortunately, the Fool doesn’t have a laffy icon choice in it’s “like” button, like FB does.

Steve

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