Beth Kindig compares CRWD and S

From Forbes. Looks like Sentinel One will be a formidable opponent. Also appears there will be room for both. Wonder others opinions.

“If we look at the Gartner Magic Quadrant 2021 for endpoint protection CrowdStrike is in a better position than SentinelOne. It has recently purchased Humio, which points towards the company continuing as a leader in the AI cybersecurity industry. Most would agree that these two are comparable. The elephant in the room is that Crowdstrike is trading at nearly 50% less.”
Jille

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bethkindig/2021/07/16/sentinelo…

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I recommend looking back at Saul’s post from June 6th, where he illustrates Sentinel One’s financial picture for the board. It’s not a pretty picture…

https://discussion.fool.com/sentinel-one-8211-a-thought-experime…

Also, while Sentinel One is a new IPO, it has been on the security scene since 2013 and CRWD has been doing just fine with S as a competitor. I guess things could possibly change with more capital for S to work with (?), but, the best judge of Crowdstrike as an investment vehicle will continue to be its earnings reports.

And referring to Beth’s article, I think she makes it crystal clear she would’t touch Sentinel One as an investment anywhere near its current levels.

Best,

Brian

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I have been monitoring online forums for system admins since I got into Crowdstrike about which security vendors they choose to use for their IT team.

SentinelOne (S) is the most common seen name when Crowdstrike is mentioned. When I look into people’s decision on why their team chose S over CRWD, however, the #1 reason is cost and rarely anything else. Not because S has a better product than CRWD. To me it seems like S has been undercutting CRWD with their price in order to gain market share and that’s how they are able to maintain high revenue growth. S do have a strong product over traditional antivirus vendors but roughly at the same level or less than CRWD.

I don’t believe price cutting is a viable strategy for sustainable growth to a company. I wonder if this is why S has a really bad financial at IPO compared to CRWD, as seen in Saul’s thread.

A few examples of sysadmin discussions:

You can see people debate over CRWd, S, and Carbon Black in this one
https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/j3aq6s/crowdstrik…

CRWD seems to be the universal winner when cost isn’t a problem
https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/ogk23p/looking_fo…

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SentinelOne (S) is the most common seen name when Crowdstrike is mentioned. When I look into people’s decision on why their team chose S over CRWD, however, the #1 reason is cost and rarely anything else. Not because S has a better product than CRWD. To me it seems like S has been undercutting CRWD with their price in order to gain market share and that’s how they are able to maintain high revenue growth. S do have a strong product over traditional antivirus vendors but roughly at the same level or less than CRWD.


This is just an assumption.
The flipside is that CRWD charges a premium.
Why would Crowdstrike try to charge more?

They have been a fast-growth public company, and have more pressure to ensure they deliver strong numbers. Whereas a private company has more freedom to focus on market share or R&D vs revenue numbers.

I haven’t looked at it in a while, but in Spring 2020 I did a comp for a large Enterprise of S vs CRWD and essentially S was cheaper and their features were all-inclusive while CRWD did the multi-module approach (which caused the total price to add up).

Client wound up pushing the project due to covid at the time, wreaking havoc on their budgets. But they were still leaning towards CRWD because of existing familiarity and probably a more “well-known” brand in the marketplace.

CRWD got a lot of press around the DNC hack or something like that…Trump mentioned their name early on in his term, too. You can’t buy that kind of PR and name recognition. That, combined with funds and heightened awareness from their IPO gave them a lead over S.

Essentially, I think the tech is fairly equal. The difference becomes who can execute in Sales and Marketing.

People tend to want to think there is something magical going on…some kind of software secret sauce that is utterly unique. I have found, when it comes to Enterprise infrastructure (whether hardware or software) many of the top vendors have products that work. Some are simply better-run companies than others.

S may wind up doing quite well. But, yeah, their valuation is nuts. As is CRWD still, imo. But there is no question security is going to remain a mega-hot trend. You just can’t assume every security event you read about would actually have been stopped by CRWD or S or ZS or PANW, etc… There will be a lot of winners, and that is why I am not sure a massive valuation makes sense.

Sure AI works better and better at scale. But if you were a hacker, and 80% of the enterprises decided to use CRWD…well…why wouldn’t you put all your efforts into hacking CRWD?

Doom

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