Bitcoin hits over 70,000 dollars now

Worthlessly trite.

Time to face the music. Go ahead double down on your BITE coins.

You can quote me from less than two weeks ago. I do not know but this market is risky.

Now I think going into November it will be rising. You will need to quote my drunken Irish Grandfather, “I will bet a bob either way on that man”.

I have said many times I do not care what the market is doing. I do not judge the market to decide what I do.

Got to say Andy I have seen you only be totally wrong so often it gets tiring correcting you.

You can have the last word. This is one of your boring no one can say I am wrong BSes.

I actually like your predictions Leap. I take the other side and am always rewarded handsomely. I am starting to think you really are not Irish because you really have no luck. You can’t even beat a flip of the coin. :joy:

Thanks! However, this looks like an experiment by Visa, not a disruption of Visa.

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I think Visa is trying to get ahead of it so they don’t get disrupted. People, I think you know, are tired of the fees especially when a retailer makes the consumer pay it directly.

The issue is consistency.

We pay more for goods in the first world. Okay knock that down but what do you get?

The German system of fixed prices is fast and economical. Truly it skews pricing towards better profits, industrial manufacturing, and productivity gains pushing down on prices longer term.

The rest of the world haggles.

Would gas prices constantly change and cause haggling? Possibly for the merchants. No one rides for free even after being told it will be wonderful.

Bitcoin is now down to just over $50,000 having lost 6% overnight and 15% in the last five days.

This is Weimar Republic level of hyperinflation.

Deflation

²22222222 in the opposite

It takes more Bitcoin today to buy that same amount of goods and services than it did yesterday. That’s inflation.

Bitcoin is something you buy, not something you buy things with.
I’m gonna go with Leap on this one - deflation (it’s cheaper today)

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In a practical sense yes, you are absolutely right. Bitcoin is not a currency or a payment system and people don’t think of it like that. But quoting from the white paper:

Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System

Bitcoin is designed to be a currency and payment system. But as described in the thread above Bitcoin’s design renders unusable for payments, except in extremely rare circumstances.

So if it is unusable for its designed purpose, and it doesn’t pay a dividend or coupon, what is the investing case?

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Digital gold.

I don’t think there are too many people who still think BTC will function as a currency (too volatile) or payment mechanism (too slow). But I think there are a bunch of folks that think it will function like gold - as a store of value, a token that people will mutually act as if it has a certain amount of worth even though it cannot practically be used as money.

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I don’t think there is one.

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The investing case is that someone will give you more for it tomorrow. It’s more like a collectible in that regard (no interest, no internal economics, no dividend)

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Btc costs less deflation.

You are explaining btc as a currency. You know that is not true.

The investment case is supply and demand. Until it gets hacked

Digital currency is a hard asset, even if imaginary. It’s like other things which produce nothing but which people still want for whatever reason. Beanie Babies, paintings by old masters, Maserati’s, a copy of the Declaration of Independence. You buy it because you want to brag that you have it, and you think there will be someone someday who will pay more for it than you did.

That, obviously, is sometimes true, (and this is important) just as frequently not. It doesn’t always happen quickly, Beanie Babies had a short shelf life, Maseratis will rust away eventually, and what is great art changes with the ages. Bitcoin could be usurped overnight with a new pretender, or by changes in computing, or by something else. Or it could last a long time, but as an otherwise unproductive asset, it will someday go away.

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Sounds like a line in an old Star Trek ep.

Steve

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Maybe. With apologies, more like a line in a gay flick starring a trannie fem to male top…?

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Pet rocks could at least be held in your hand. They came with a box. As the old guys used to say sagaciously, “real estate is real”. Sad pet rock, what happened?

The issue seems to be whether digital currency has any utility. I recall this was discussed to death with respect to NFTs and real estate purchases. The fact that a year or so later the usefulness of crypto is still not obvious suggests that its value is more virtual than tangible.

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sigh You clearly did not watch enough TV in your formative years. :^)

Kirk’s piece about dreams and reality starts at the 2:15 mark.

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