Calling the bubble

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/14/opinion/ai-bubb…

Warning: Our Stock Market Is Looking Like a Bubble
By Jared Bernstein and Ryan Cummings, The New York Times, Oct. 14, 2025


We believe it’s time to call the third bubble of our century: the A.I. bubble…

In financial markets, a bubble occurs when the level of investment in an asset becomes persistently detached from the amount of profit that asset could plausibly generate. …

A.I. investment fits that pattern. OpenAI says it needs at least $1 trillion to invest in data centers that provide the electricity, computing power and storage to train and run A.I., yet the company’s revenues are expected to amount to a mere $13 billion this year. And since the debut of ChatGPT, an easily accessible A.I. chatbot, in late 2022, the S&P 500 has swelled by nearly two-thirds, with just seven firms — all of whom have invested heavily in A.I. — driving more than half of that growth…

Adoption, both by firms and individuals, is clearly growing, but whether this adoption is generating massive productivity benefits or profits remains to be seen…

There is a bit of a silver lining. As best we can tell, the damage of a potential A.I. bubble would not approach the carnage that resulted from the burst of the housing bubble and the financial crisis of 2007 and 2008. While banks, private credit and private equity are all lending heavily to companies that are building and leasing A.I. data centers, this debt appears less distributed and embedded in global finance than it was back then. … [end quote]

A bubble is sustained by buyers piling into the excitement and FOMO. Historically, bubbles burst when buyers stop pumping in fresh money. Then the leveraged speculators are forced to sell and the bubble collapses.

Seasoned chart watchers with a knowledge of history recognize a bubble when we see one but naive speculators may not.

More and more voices are calling the bubble. When the New York Times prints an explanation by two experienced economists the knowledge will spread.

The game of musical chairs may be coming to a close. Of course, nobody can predict when.
Wendy

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Now is a pretty good prediction. Next week is the same thing five years from now looking back. Six months from now as a prediction is not doable, because this is too far gone now.

The global economy is doing a flushing motion.

Saving Argentina? Remember the Asian Contagion? Same thing. Just another angle on how hell is about to freeze over.

The US will default on the debt. Even if that turns out to be 100% untrue, it would be pure luck if it turns out untrue.

Why listen to OpenAI instead of to Tesla? Because OpenAI does not have a path to monetize AI while Tesla does. Scary stories sell much better than happy endings.

The Captain

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Tesla has been talking about this for 7 years now and still isn’t there. They still aren’t doing truly autonomous driving either. Waymo is but only at limited scale and not more cheaply than Uber.

At some point you’re going to realize Elon is promising things he can’t deliver.

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This is factually inaccurate. OpenAI is a monster.

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It’s not what Elon promises but what Tesla delivers that I pay attention to.

Not according to Jared Bernstein and Ryan Cummings quoted in the OP.

The Captain

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Period Revenue Key Notes
2024 (Full Year) $3.7B Losses of $5B; growth from ChatGPT launch momentum.
2025 H1 (Jan–Jun) $4.3B Surpassed 2024 total; ~$2.15B/quarter average.
2025 ARR (Jul) $12B Implies $1B/month; 700M+ weekly users.
2025 (Projected Full Year) $12.7B On pace; cash burn raised to $8B amid compute investments.

This is not true. Elon’s statements are aspirational. Long term Tesla shareholders are able to sift through fact, fiction and risks about FSD, Optimus, Energy, Charging network, Batteries etc.

Shorts and haters have been overyly incessantly focused on what Elon said and when and therefore gotten their heads handed to them.

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Is today opposite day?

Is it 4:20 in porto?

Is it all those Teslas you’ve been seeing around town?

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