Casus belli on the border

[captainccs]

@steve203

As others have said, the “war on drugs” was a failure. It is impossible to seal a border that long. I remember watching a documentary on TV, in the early 60s, about a group that dug a tunnel under the Berlin wall, to get some people out of East Germany. If the pervasive security apparatus of East Germany could not prevent that, how is it feasible to really, securely, secure the US border?

Perfect is the enemy of good

The Wiki

[Hawkwin]

@steve203

Fundamentally, I have no problem using the army and national guard to help patrol the border.

I do.

I wouldn’t (as much) if it was JUST military police being sent - at least they have some tangentially related training (but likely little to no language training) but we have now sent a Stryker Brigade which is made up largely of infantry.

Speaking as an infantry vet, you do not want to infantry grunts trying to act as police. We are not trained, AT ALL, for working with non-combatant civilians. We are not trained to have the temperament. I can only hope and pray that they are at least not giving them live ammunition.

[DrBob2]

@Hawkwin

Speaking as an infantry vet, you do not want to infantry grunts trying to act as police.

And that’s not the case. From NorthCom:

“Tasks carried out by 2nd SBCT will include detection and monitoring; administrative support; transportation support; warehousing and logistic support; vehicle maintenance; and engineering support. Personnel will not conduct or be involved in interdiction or deportation operations.”

By the way, the last time a Stryker Brigade was deployed to the border was in 2012 under Mr. O’s administration.

Additional troops to enhance border security operations

DB2

[Hawkwin]

@DrBob2

By the way, the last time a Stryker Brigade was deployed to the border was in 2012 under Mr. O’s administration.

You should know by now that I am bipartisan (or is that non-partisan?) in my criticism.

If they are not involved in interdiction, then I am less concerned.

[steve203]

@Hawkwin

We are not trained, AT ALL, for working with non-combatant civilians.

Unfortunately, my dad passed 34 years ago. Otherwise, I could ask him how they handled French and German civilians.

I would suspect that an empty mag, and a bayonet, with the scabbard on, motioned in a particular direction, would get the point across. The chances of a My Lai reenactment would be extremely low.

Steve

[buynholdisdead]

@DrBob2

transportation support; warehousing and logistic support

Sorry but this is not compatible with:

@DrBob2

Personnel will not conduct or be involved in interdiction or deportation operations.”

This.

You can’t be involved with logistics and warehousing unless you are involved in deportation. I saw on the news last night that the military was using huge transport planes to move 9 illegals to Guatanemo Bay. The cost was prohibitive. So the lie is in.

[flyerboys]

@steve203

using the army and national guard to help patrol the border.

All depends on the precise meaning of “help” in this context. But almost the only way I can imagine this “help” being useful still depends on the idiotic notion that human bodies trudging along to guard that huge border accomplishes anything significant.

The professional Border Patrol guys (I have friends amongst them) have an extremely different expertise from what all but a tiny set of military troops are trained to do. The coming of the age of drones may change that picture, but I doubt it.

Here in the Mexican campo where I live alongside a small ancient village, almost every family has men (and a few women) working al norte, and most have strong multi-generational relationships with expert “coyote” families who pass their connections and knowledge down to their children. Almost none of them cross the border along “the border” as normally conceived, but enter via various ruses and bribed officials. The images of hordes at the border that you mostly see are overwhelmingly of refugees and desperate people from further south than Mexico, using far less skilled coyotes.

[steve203]

@flyerboys

The images of hordes at the border that you mostly see are overwhelmingly of refugees and desperate people from further south than Mexico, using far less skilled coyotes.

Those images are what freaks out the goobers. The goobers would be much happier if they saw a soldier confronting those people, and motioning back across the river with his bayonet. That is a better alternative than shooting them.

Donald Trump 'suggested shooting migrants in the legs'

Steve

[UpNorthJoe]

When does the US go after the degenerate US drug users ??
( kind of tongue in cheek, but not totally ). If the drug consumers were not here, the drugs would not be shipped here. That is never mentioned, wonder why ??? I haven’t followed fentanyl closely, but I do remember the opioid crisis. Whole lot of white, red-hat wearing opioid addicts from Red States. I’m guessing fentanyl has the same customer base. When does the National psyche turn on them ?? I’m guessing never, with the current crew in charge.

[flyerboys]

@UpNorthJoe

When does the US go after the degenerate US drug users ??

Well, after they develop the first and second lines of defense and counterattack:
Public Health Services and a trained workforce to implement it, obviously backed by solid communication and coordination with police, lawyers, and the panoply of the legal administrative state. But the issue is overwhelmingly one of Public Health, and the societies that work it that way get far better results.

[DrBob2]

@Hawkwin

You should know by now that I am bipartisan (or is that non-partisan?) in my criticism.

And that is appreciated.

I didn’t know the Strykers had been deployed to the border before, and I suspect most have forgotten or did not know.

DB2

[thegreatdane]

Stop your clapping or we’ll stop it for you. Lol