As this trend advances, the pressure will be on to let kids drop out of school at a younger age, so they can work more.
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Funny, I have been saying that if you want to slow down school shootings and improve test scores and raise the value of college education, moving young people that are not college material into apprenticeships at 16 is a requirement.
Of course that also means you have to
pay them a living wage at 16. Oops!
Remember, in my world a 16 year old that is working hard makes enough money to rent half a 100 year old house, drive a worn out car, support a 16 year old wife and baby and take a vacation to a state park in a tent.
The same 16 year old ten years later is most likely to make enough money to buy a new 1000 square foot home, a new economy car, an old truck, have a stay at home wife and raise 2 children and have health insurance for all of them.
Oh no! Living wages! Universal health insurance, craft unions, what would happen to the world?
Terrible, panic, catastrophe! How would we ever exploit people for cheap hamburgers?
Cheers
Qazulight
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Without sarcasm tags, one would think the author was a Commie. Clearly, what we need is more cheap labor for the âJCsâ to use for their own enrichment. Paying a living wage is a âjob killing burdenâ.
/sarcasm
Steve
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Since their efforts to destroy public education are nearing completion, they have moved on to their next phase in creating a desperation economy.
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Qazulight is a self declared socialist unless he changed his mind lately.
The Captain
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So where do you stand Captain on lowering child labor laws?
Andy
I have never though about it. I donât know what the child labor laws are.
If I must state an opinion, âChildren do need to be protected but not over protected. Life is not all roses.â
The Captain
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That is understood but everyone has a different understanding of that. I would say allowing children to work in slaughter houses or on an assembly line would be wrong where you might think that is just fine. I worked in the woods at the age of 13 but thinking back on it I probably shouldnât have. Because there are a lot of things a 13 year old does not know about chain saws and falling trees.
Andy
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The factor, besides the risk to the kidâs life and limb, is there are only 24 hours in a day. Hours worked, take away from hours of education. If you consider providing cheap labor to the âJCsâ more important than education, then your incentive will be to lower the age that kids can drop out of school so they can âlearn the dignity of workâ full time. (cue the bloviating about âtraditional family valuesâ and how the spawn worked on their parentâs farm, or in their parentâs store, when they were barely old enough for long pantsâŚof course, schooling for most ended at the 6th grade then)
Steve
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First it was ânot everyone needs a college educationâ. Now apparently, not everyone needs any education. No wonder the Texas GOP official platform explicitly calls for the end of public education (not kidding). That will hit rural areas the hardest, but hey, thatâs why they have farms, right?
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I am pretty sure most âJCsâ what their labor to have basic skills, âBantu educationâ it was called in South Africa. Anything more, would probably be viewed as âa cost to be minimizedâ.
The high school I went to, had a historical marker in front of it. The marker is about the âKalamazoo school caseâ, where a trio of well-to-do filed suit contending the city did not have authority to use tax dollars to fund a high school. The Michigan Supreme Court decided the city did have that authority, starting the tradition of socialistical High School funding. Canât help but wonder if some of the Shinier states might decide another tax cut for the âJCsâ would be a âbetterâ use of that money, than funding high schools that provide âwoke indoctrinationâ.
(at the top of the article is a pic of Kalamazoo Central, taken in the 1920s. That is the building I went to)
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What education does the head of that group have? LOL !! Replace him with someone âwithout an educationâ because they will work for less. And do the same for ALL the positions.
Popcorn (w/lots of butter) !!
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A young high school friend of mine worked in a slaughter house at age 16. He went on to become a Brigadier General in the Marine Corp in charge of recruitment. He is recently retired age 59.
But he only worked part time after school. He received his chance in life by getting an education.
The problem with allowing children to work full time the children are badly used. It is morally and ethically cruel. That is purposeful in passing these laws trying to do harm.
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Dropping out of college did not seem to hurt me. I leaned programming on the job. Back then computing was not yet taught in schools. IBM in Caracas had a school and when the teachers were stumped they would ask programmers for help.
The other issue is that teaching has been replaced by indoctrination, a.k.a. brain washing.
College degrees became âmandatoryâ when business realized that someone with a degree was more likely to be useful than one without. Said another way, college was not valued for the education but for the selection process. Another example of this is the value of networking at Ivy League schools, good for the address book.
Then there is street smarts, a different kind of education.
The Captain
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Exactly right. HR people tend toward lazy. Tossing the resumes that lack a degree narrows the field, without applying any thought to the selection process. I remember reading in the news, decades ago, a fast food place was requiring a college degree, because it was an easy way to reduce the number of resumes to look at. In his âWealth And Povertyâ, George Gilder said that rejecting women for an opening was also an easy HR shortcut, the excuse being words to the effect âwomen only work to kill time until they get married. then they will quit to raise a family. so offering women any opportunity is a waste of timeâ. When I was working at Radio Shack, the company felt that college grads were more likely to stick with the company for a while, so they offered âC-classâ, where college grad store managers were brought down to Fort Worth for indoctrination. (it was a fun junket, I went through the HQ building, toured one of the computer plants, toured the small parts warehouse, and saw presentations by several department heads).
Steve
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That is the latest anti-education narrative from the Shiny faction. Education funding has been cut, in some states, over the years. The NEA has been denigrated for decades. âCommon coreâ, a set of voluntary minimum competency standards for high school graduation, has been turned into a boogyman. The latest is discrediting the entire educational program as ânothing but woke indoctrinationâ. Seems likely that this constant flow of propaganda trying to discredit universal education is designed to go hand in hand with relaxing child labor laws, so more kids are diverted into the workforce, rather than continuing their education.
Steve
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You read George Gilder! The Captainâs parrot says to give you a cracker! 
I used to get Gilderâs Technology Report and was quite active on his forum until it broke down after the dot com bust. Someone suggested TMF and thatâs how I would up here. I met him in Washington, DC, at a Gilder forum get together. A very interesting fellow!
Of course not all schools, colleges, and universities have gone to pot but in many the administration has caved to student WOKE culture. Cancelling speakers is terrible!
The Captain
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It was for a grad school class in 81. Read âFree To Chooseâ for that class too, as those were the âinâ books about economics at the dawn of the âsupply sideâ scam. It was well before Gilder climbed on his âhigh tech guruâ hobbyhorse.
Somehow, Gilder, in his shift from supply side advocate, to high tech guru, reminds me of âKid Rockâ, a character played by a rich kid from the burbs, who went to private school. He payed a ghetto kid when that was âinâ. Now, he plays a redneck.
Steve
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The cracker is not for agreeing with Gilder but for reading Gilder. On my bookshelves in Caracas Das Kapital sits near The Wealth of Nations, the Koran next to Ayn Rand, an Anthology of Anarchism, and Mein Kapf. Moshe Dayan once commented that had Gamal Abdel Nasser read his book on desert warfare Israel might have lost the Six Day War. These are powerful reasons for not cancelling opposing views.
The Captain
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