@PaulWBryant Following up on the uniqueness of the single manufacturer for Credo on AEC cables, it does seem to be an issue that is more specific to Credo than to competitors like Astera for example.
Astera was at the Needham conference and explained this difference in their business models,
Analyst asked,
And then maybe just in case some in the room aren’t familiar with your go-to-market strategy versus that of Credo, you make the smart cable module, you provide firmware, you don’t build the full cable. Credo does vertically integrate and supplies the entire cable. What are the pros and cons of the 2 approaches?
CEO’s response,
Yes. So first of all, we are – both Credo and us are going after the same problem statement at the same time that we are addressing in different ways. The Credo approach is that they provide the whole cable, and there are some benefits of that. They can usually run faster because they only need to work with one cable vendor and they control the whole chain. The advantage of the approach that we have is that we provide the supply chain diversity that our customers require.
So when you want to go from 10,000 cables, maybe 100,000 cables to millions of cables, which is really the demand for some of these larger hyperscalers, you want to have a diversified supply chain. And this is where our solution shines because we build the smart cable module, which is on either end of the cable for those of you not familiar but this is built to the exact specification of the hyperscaler. They know all of the components that go in there, including the DSP that comes from Astera, but also all of the power components, the EEPROMs and this and that. And more importantly, all of the security, the firmware upgrade, all of those capabilities are controlled by the hyperscaler. So now the hyperscaler does the matchmaking and says, okay, I have qualified this smart cable module from Astera, cable vendor 1, cable vendor 2, please build this cable for my application #1.
And they might go to cable vendor # 3 and cable vendor # 4 for another application. So they get to have full control of their supply chain. There is no margin stacking, and they don’t need to requalify the cable for every application. So for the hyperscaler, there is a huge advantage. And as Astera, we service hyperscalers.
So that’s why we evolved with this model, and we feel very comfortable and confident that over time, this will be successful.
Also adding some relevant details from Needham what Astera said about copper, a market concern which seems to be putting pressure on the stock price of Credo and Astera,
Yes. So at the highest level, CPO is a net increase in TAM. CPO, optical solutions are a lot more expensive than copper solutions. So if the – as the world shifts to optical, it is good for anybody who’s playing in the optical solution, and we’ll absolutely be playing in there as well. That is also a reason why I believe that our customers don’t want to go to optics because they have to pay a lot more for optics, including in power and in cost.
So overall, it is up to the industry, including folks like us to deliver a reliable low-cost solution that enables optics and therefore, allows disaggregation of these racks. And we are already actually in close engagement with our customers on when this transition is supposed to happen, when they would like to deploy copper – sorry, optical, and we will be right there. Now to your second point, you cannot deploy optics in isolation. So you cannot say I have an optical engine and now you can deploy optics. You must have a switch that’s capable of talking optics and you should have an XPU that’s capable of talking optics.
And it is our plan to work an optical engine to create an optical engine that will enable Scorpio family to be – to have optics I/O as in addition to a copper-based IO. We announced the acquisition of aiXscale, which is a company that does the packaging piece, which we believe is the most critical piece to scale optics. This allows very efficient connection of optical fibers into the silicon photonics chip. Now unlike Celestial, for example, where they have chosen to go down a particular path of silicon photonics, we are open to multiple solutions. If we need to work with, let’s say, a Celestial type of a solution, we can happily work with that.
Lastly, Credo was also a presenter at the Needham conference and looking to check out the details there soon.