Dominos fall for leveraged crypto

Is crypto more like a tulipmania or a Ponzi scheme? Or does it more resemble the collapse of Long- Term Capital Management in 1998 due to a toxic combination of hubris and leverage?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/cryptos-domino-effect-is-wideni…

**Crypto’s Domino Effect Is Widening, Threatening More Pain**
**Losses are blowing holes in balance sheets and pushing firms in the industry to near bankruptcy**

**By Caitlin Ostroff and Vicky Ge Huang, The Wall Street Journal, July 2, 2022**

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**A handful of crypto players have established financial ties throughout the market and added to risk by borrowing and lending digital assets among themselves, with at least one lender, Celsius Network LLC, drawing on collateral to do its own borrowing....**

**While new to crypto, such problems are well-known in the traditional financial realm. During the 2007-08 global financial crisis, bank-lending practices including rehypothecation of assets — using collateral to borrow more money — left banks short on liquidity. In the aftermath, regulators tightened oversight.** [Tightened oversight on banks, not on crypto. There’s no oversight on crypto. – W]

**The growth of the industry — worth more than $3 trillion at its peak last year — has surpassed the ability of regulators to keep up, according to analysts....** [end quote]

There is something that I don’t understand about the intersection of USDs and crypto.

What does it mean to say “The crypto industry was worth more than $3 trillion at its peak last year”? Does that mean the notional value of the crypto “on paper,” including leverage (borrowing) used to buy the asset? When the value of a crypto declines, who is losing USDs and how much? Are these real losses or paper losses?

To prevent the contagion of a crypto financial panic, the crypto exchange FTX, headed by Sam Bankman-Fried, has set itself up as a “crypto central bank.” FTX struck a deal with the crypto lender BlockFi Inc. including a $400 million credit facility. What does that mean? Is this 400 million USDs? That’s a lot of money to risk out of someone’s pocket. FTX can’t conjure USDs out of thin air like the Federal Reserve.

True believers in crypto are hoping that the 2022 crypto crash will recover like the 2018 crypto crash which apparently “flushed out” weak actors. They also say, “Everything is deeply, deeply intertwined; we didn’t have this in 2018,” indicating that lending between companies can pull them down together.

$3 Trillion is a lot of moolah. Enough to have a Macro impact. (U.S. GDP is $24 trillion.) That’s why I want to know whether this is real USD money that can evaporate out of the Macro economy in a crypto crash. It could significantly impact economic activity.

Wendy

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Is crypto more like a tulipmania or a Ponzi scheme?

Conveniently it is both!

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Hi Wendy,

I think that the fall of cryptocurrency is more like the stock market losing value. It changes the behavior of those who own it,because of the wealth effect, or in this case the lack of it. If all cryptocurrency was “worth” 3 trillion at it’s peak,it is now “worth” one trillion very unevenly distributed over the entire world.
Order of magnitude perhaps 3% of total world GDP. Much less of total assets.
Those that no longer have that wealth may spend less,but it should not be a first order effect.

JK

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“We estimate cost basis for bitcoin miners in North America around $22K per bitcoin mined. This estimate includes the direct cost of mining and S&A expenses. It does not include depreciation and amortization charges,” CryptoQuant senior analyst Julio Moreno confirmed to Cointelegraph in private comments:

“If depreciation and amortization charges are included then the cost basis for mining Bitcoin is at around $30K, basically at the same level as current bitcoin price.”

https://cointelegraph.com/news/30k-btc-price-has-severe-impa…

So … with Bitcoin trading below USD 20k … miners might stop mining. Any day now. But … it’s the miners who keep the blockchain intact! If they all give up, bitcoin would again be worth what is was in 2007 … zip …

It is strange isn’t it how people will lend to others to own something heading to be worthless … these crypto barons would do well to pinch themselves and just get out rather than emptying their nice bank accounts to do a King Canute (he commanded the tide to stop coming in) … they are trying to hang in to support it … but the smart one is the one who rats on the others and sells out …

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Is crypto more like a tulipmania or a Ponzi scheme?

YES!

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King Canute (he commanded the tide to stop coming in)

From a quick Google search, King Canute knew he couldn’t stop the tide. He was a pious man and was trying to demonstrate that God was more powerful than man.

I suspect those continuing to try to support crypto know the same in their hearts - but are more concerned about their wallets and less pious about their comments.

The story of King Canute and the tide is an apocryphal anecdote illustrating the piety or humility of King Canute the Great, recorded in the 12th century by Henry of Huntingdon.

In the story, Canute demonstrates to his flattering courtiers that he has no control over the elements (the incoming tide), explaining that secular power is vain compared to the supreme power of God.

I suspect those continuing to try to support crypto know the same in their hearts - but are more concerned about their wallets and less pious about their comments.

I must have no heart.

God in all of this?

I hold around $300 eth. I am not invested. It is for working later on when I mint NFTs.

Cryptos have some value. It is highly volatile. Digital scarcity is an important idea.

There has been a brutal sell off and a W is being put in for POSSIBLY going higher.

https://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui

If Eth goes higher it is higher lows and higher highs.

https://schrts.co/CzriHSBY

BTC same possible bottoming action being put in.

https://schrts.co/MtZWDVAE

I am not suggesting investing.

I wont be investing in BTC or Eth.

When some folks in the real world are facing hardships I will be buying blue chips.

headed by Sam Bankman-Fried

You all ought to listen to a podcast called “Odd Lots”, specifically the episode with Bankman-Fried. He explicitly states that some parts of the crypto world are a ponzi scheme.

Here’s a link to the podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sam-bankman-fried-and-…

Here’s a link to the transcript (unfortunately with a paywall) - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-25/odd-lots-…

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He explicitly states that some parts of the crypto world are a ponzi scheme.

What a shocking idea! You’ve ruined my view of the macro-economic world…

:wink:

Pete

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