EPA to require CO2 scrubbing from coal and natural gas power plants


“Almost all the coal plants — along with large, frequently used gas-fired power plants — would have to cut or capture nearly all their carbon dioxide emissions by 2038, the EPA said. Plants that cannot meet the new standards would be forced to retire.”

The proposed regulation will be challenged. Article includes summary of previous laws and court decisions.


I saw a video where these climate change experts were being questioned by a government committee. One committee member asked each one of them what the atmosphere’s content of CO2 was and they all answered 5 to 7%. Then he told them it was .04% and they all looked like fools talking about how much CO2 is in the atmosphere and they don’t even know…doc


Not that I doubt your story, but do you have a link?

Then they clearly weren’t “experts”. Anyone can get that number from Google. It seems unlikely that “an expert” would be off by a factor of 1000% to 1500%.


Since you can not produce this mysterious video, I will assume it does not exist or you saw a Right Wing propaganda video.


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The EPA is doing their job with regulating CO2. I agree with the proposed EPA regulations. We have had enough of the dirty coal. They do noot have a prayer to be able to eliminate CO2 emissions. We have the capability to build alternative non-carbon sources of power generation to replace all coal and natural gas power plants by 2038.

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For years gas was manufactured for gas lighting by heating red hot and blowing steam through it. The gas was a mix of carbon monoxide and hydrogen. We know how to convert the carbon monoxide to hydrogen by reaction with more steam.

Coal gasification with carbon scrubbing may be practical but requires investment. Coal owners are likely to price where ever needed to make it practical.

Coal’s death is likely exaggerated!!

Carbon scrubbing has a very slim chance of becoming practical even with many millions of dollars in investment. It is too large and complex to be economic. Where does the industry stand and will they be ready with an economic process by 2038?

By burning coal with air, you dilute the gas stream with copious amounts of nitrogen. Burning with oxygen should give almost pure carbon dioxide as the combustion product. Carbon capture then becomes relatively easy.

Most carbon capture (as for ammonia synthesis) uses capture in liquid amines and then regeneration by heating. Regeneration takes much energy.

Separating steam from the clean gas stream should not be difficult.

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Where has this been done on a utility scale coal or natural gas power plant?

Air Products and Linde routinely build air separation plants to supply major oxygen customers. Especially for basic oxygen steel mills.

I don’t know that oxygen fired power plants has been tried. But it is an obvious experiment. I’d be surprised if it has not been done. The industry does have research capability.

But fossil fuel industry allies in both Congress and the states are ready to push back, using essentially the same argument they have used for years: the technology is not ready. They have the advantage of a Supreme Court dominated by Republican-appointed justices who favor limiting the historical role of regulatory agencies like the Environmental Protection Agency.

Clearly cognizant of these challenges, the Biden EPA produced a highly customized set of rules designed to give the power industry both time and options for cutting their greenhouse gas emissions. Large categories of coal and natural gas power plants—those that are going to close soon, or are small, or only run intermittently—will not face new requirements at all. And clean-up of the electricity sector will rely on two technologies—carbon capture and storage, or CCS, and clean hydrogen—that are receiving billions of dollars of federal subsidies approved by Congress over the past two years.

Moreover, no fossil fuel plant will be forced to install those technologies before 2030. Large natural gas plants have until 2035 or 2038 to equip themselves with carbon capture and other technology to cut emissions 90 percent. That suggests the U.S. won’t make it to Biden’s goal of 100 percent carbon-free electricity by 2035 on this rule alone, even if it survives all of the challenges that the industry and states are preparing to launch.