How long will inflation last?

When inflation began to rise in 2021, Fed Chairman Jerome Powell said that it would be transitory and would even out the lower inflation in 2020. Nobel Prize winner and New York Times editorialist Paul Krugman agreed and called all the economists who agreed “Team Transitory.” Ex-Treasury Secretary Larry Summers disagreed and predicted high inflation, based on the record huge amount of fiscal and monetary stimulus.

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CUUR0000SA0L1E?output_view=p…

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/04/12/business/cpi-inflati…

**Consumer prices rose 8.5 percent in the year through March, reaching the fastest inflation rate since 1981. ... Stripping out volatile fuel and food, so-called core prices climbed at a brisk 6.5 percent in the year through March, up from 6.4 percent in the year through February. Even so, the core index offered a rare glimmer of good inflation news: It slowed down a bit on a monthly basis, rising 0.3 percent from February, compared with 0.5 percent the prior month. ...**

**A spate of recent developments could keep inflation uncomfortably high....Wages...housing costs...busnesses raising prices ...** [end quote]

When the inflation numbers came in hot, Paul Krugman admitted that “Team Transitory” had, um, made a mistake or maybe been premature. He’s still on “Team Transitory,” though.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/12/opinion/inflation-consume…

**Inflation is About to Come Down — but Don’t Get Too Excited**

**By Paul Krugman, The New York Times, April 12, 2022**

**...**
**The Consumer Price Index — which roughly speaking measures average prices over the month — probably missed a downward turn that began in late March and is accelerating as you read this. Inflation will probably fall significantly over the next few months.**

**There are growing indications that the bullwhip is about to flick back...retailers appear to have overbought and are sitting on unusually large inventory. Car lots are filling up; demand for trucking is falling quickly....**

**But don’t get too excited. The better numbers we’re about to see won’t mean that the inflation problem is over....The U.S. economy still looks overheated. ... Rising wages...rents...**

**The good news is that there’s still no sign that expectations of high inflation are getting entrenched the way there were in, say, 1980. Consumers expect high inflation in the near future, but medium-term expectations haven’t moved much, suggesting that people expect inflation to come down a lot...** [end quote]

The bond market is predicting 5-year inflation of 2.45%.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/T5YIFR

Krugman doesn’t think that excess wage growth will recede unless the unemployment rate rises…which usually means a recession, though he didn’t say so.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/feds-brainard-to-take-questions…

**Fed’s Brainard Says Lowering Inflation Is Central Bank’s Key Mission**
**She and other central bank officials have signaled expectations for faster pace of policy tightening this spring**
**By Nick Timiraos and Michael S. Derby, The Wall Street Journal, Updated April 12, 2022**

**...**
**Fed officials signaled they could raise rates by a half percentage point at their meeting early next month and begin trimming their $9 trillion asset portfolio, according to minutes of the Fed’s March 15-16 meeting released last week. ...**

**Ms. Brainard said the Fed will continue raising rates, but declined to say whether it will need to lift them in half-point steps. She also said the Fed could formalize plans to shrink its $9 trillion balance sheet at its policy meeting May 3-4 and could start that process in June....At their meeting last month, Fed officials penciled in another 1.5 percentage points in rate increases this year, which would leave their benchmark rate slightly below 2% by December. ...**

**“We are committed to bringing inflation back down to 2%,” though it is hard to say how long that could take, she said. ...** [end quote]

The prediction of raising the fed funds rate from zero to 2% in a year has already impacted the bond market even though the Fed has actually only raised the rate by a teeny-tiny 0.25%. The prediction of sales of the Fed’s bloated book of longer-term mortgage and Treasury bonds has impacted those markets, too, though so far that is jaw-boning.

https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/candleglance.html?$IRX,$U…
https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/yieldcurve.php

Even as bond yields rise, their real yields are far below zero as inflation rises. Even the Wall Street Journal has finally realized the benefits of the I-series Savings Bond. (I hope that the Treasury Department doesn’t cancel this program.) However, every person (or trust) can only buy $10,000 per year of I-Bonds. An alternative is TIPS (Treasury Inflation Protected Securities).

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DFII10

Unlike I-Bonds, which always return full principal whenever redeemed (over 1 year) even if interest rates rise, the value of TIPS fluctuates with interest rates. They can be sold in the bond market but their price will be less than the par value if interest rates rise.

The question is: what to do with money which is not invested in the stock market? Bank accounts yield 0.5% on cash and aren’t likely to raise rates.

Investing in bonds in a rising interest rate environment is always dicey since the value of the bonds will drop.

It’s also dicey to invest in a rising interest rate environment because a recession could result and then the Fed will cut interest rates again.

There’s also a real risk of stagflation: recession plus inflation together. That hasn’t happened since the late 1970s, when the Federal Reserve wasn’t manipulating the bond market the way it does now. At that time, bond investors demanded, and got, positive real yields.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DGS10

Investing in TIPS if inflation stays higher for longer than the market expects is a gamble. I invested heavily in 10-year TIPS in late 2008 when the TIPS yielded higher than the Treasury (predicting long-term deflation) which was a good move since this unusual deflation only lasted a couple of months. But that’s not the case now – the Treasury yields more than the TIPS.

My current thought is to invest in a series of highly-rated, short-term debt instruments, under 2 years of maturity.

I think it will take more than a few half-point fed funds raises in 2022 to bring 8.5% inflation down to 2%. If they can do that without a recession, I will be the most surprised girl in the room.

Wendy

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… Even the Wall Street Journal has finally realized the benefits of the I-series Savings Bond. (I hope that the Treasury Department doesn’t cancel this program.) However, every person (or trust) can only buy $10,000 per year of I-Bonds.

For WSJ readers, $800 in interest income on a $10,000 investment is probably lost in the round off. It’s probably not worth the time and effort to open a Treasury Direct account. The only reason I bought some [i-bonds] was because I already had a Treasury Direct account which holds the most poorly performing asset in my portfolio – i-bonds purchased about 26 years ago which have appreciated to a bit over twice their purchase price during that period. I would have had a small fortune had the i-bond money been in an index fund.

But sure, if you’ve got money sitting in a money market fund, and already have the Treasury Direct account, it makes sense to move $10,000 to i-bonds. It may even make sense to overpay your 4th Quarter estimated Federal Income Tax by $5,000 so that you’ll get a $5,000 IRS tax refund which can also go into i-bonds along with the original $10,000 limit. Well, maybe not once you see the rigamarole you have to go through to buy them through the IRS.

https://www.irs.gov/refunds/now-you-can-buy-us-series-i-savi…

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I know… cash loses value to inflation. But the smartest thing I’ve done with my sizable emergency cash pile over the last two years was to leave it in the money market. Cash can only lose value as fast as inflation. Same is not true with respect to most reasonable choices I would have had for that pile of money.

(Still down 25% from all time high in November in the IRA.)

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< It’s probably not worth the time and effort to open a Treasury Direct account. >

Yes, it’s an effort to open a Treasury Direct account, which requires taking paperwork to the bank for a notary’s signature. I like that level of security.

Once that’s done, I and my husband can each buy $10,000 per year of I-Bonds. Any trust with a unique TIN can also buy $10,000. If I had kiddies, I could buy each of them $10,000 to be held UGMA. And this can be done every year.

It adds up.

Unless you are very wealthy, over the years the amounts involved can be significant. I think most METARs could potentially benefit. Safely and securely. For those who want assets outside of the stock market. Which is not always safe and secure.

Wendy

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But the smartest thing I’ve done with my sizable emergency cash pile over the last two years was to leave it in the money market.

Really? Even a simple S&P500 index fund has gained 63% over the past 24 months. My portfolio is 95% stock and I’m crying about the 5% in cash.

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Yes, it’s an effort to open a Treasury Direct account, which requires taking paperwork to the bank for a notary’s signature. I like that level of security.

Was not the case for us. Frankly, was so easy that I no longer remember what we had to do.

IP

I just opened an account at the end of Oct 2021 and I didn’t even leave the house. Very easy, fast and convenient.

JimA

Once that’s done, I and my husband can each buy $10,000 per year of I-Bonds. Any trust with a unique TIN can also buy $10,000. If I had kiddies, I could buy each of them $10,000 to be held UGMA. And this can be done every year.

It adds up.

Unless you are very wealthy, over the years the amounts involved can be significant.

Absolutely! The $29,000 I have in i-bonds purchased in 1998 has grown to $73,000 – $29k in the S&P500 would be worth $146,000 today. I’ll leave it to the student to determine which bank balance offers more “safety”.

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inparadise writes,

Yes, it’s an effort to open a Treasury Direct account, which requires taking paperwork to the bank for a notary’s signature. I like that level of security.

Was not the case for us. Frankly, was so easy that I no longer remember what we had to do.

Perhaps you’re misremembering that it required a signature guarantee?

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/indiv/research/sigcert.htm

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Yes, it appears the Treasury Dept has streamlined the process to open a Treasury Direct account. I definitely had to get a signature guarantee when I opened one more than 20 years ago.

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/RS/UN-ACCOUNTCREATE.DO

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Ex-Treasury Secretary Larry Summers disagreed and predicted high inflation, based on the record huge amount of fiscal and monetary stimulus.

Summers was early and damning. But why he was so adamant is in the past as the FED has done an about face.

Even a simple S&P500 index fund has gained 63% over the past 24 months.

Thanks for the data point :+1: Maybe the start date (just post COVID scare) was a bit of a dip, but +63% over 2 years is not a sustainable rate. Nor, likely, is the level to which +63% in 2 years has brought the market … given the Fed pivot now in process.

Looking forwards from here, I’ll accept a little depreciation of cash while I wait for things to normalise - and maybe overshoot on the downside - in equities.

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Ex-Treasury Secretary Larry Summers disagreed and predicted high inflation, based on the record huge amount of fiscal and monetary stimulus.

Summers was early and damning. But why he was so adamant is in the past as the FED has done an about face.

It has certainly already happened, but what Summers was warning about was not the Fed. It was about the final Covid relief package being much too large. Here is my link from February 2021:

https://discussion.fool.com/stimulus-too-big-34743562.aspx
First, while there are enormous uncertainties, there is a chance that macroeconomic stimulus on a scale closer to World War II levels than normal recession levels will set off inflationary pressures of a kind we have not seen in a generation…

DB2

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Fed Chairman Jerome Powell said that it would be transitory

The “JCs” certainly seem to like the media’s constant “shortage” hype, leveraging it to only make the most expensive products available, and raising their price.

As offered before, labor unions don’t have the clout they had fifty years ago. Recent wage gains can be taken away in a flash. Maybe the “JCs” will pay off the media to start hyping a recession narrative to intimidate their employees to stay on, in the face of pay and benefit cuts?

Steve

Absolutely! The $29,000 I have in i-bonds purchased in 1998 has grown to $73,000 – $29k in the S&P500 would be worth $146,000 today. I’ll leave it to the student to determine which bank balance offers more “safety”.

I hope you’ve been paying taxes on the phantom income from those I-bonds throughout the years! Otherwise, come 2028, you may be screwed because $50-70k will be added to your income that year. I assume you may be on medicare by then, but if you were still on ACA, you might not be eligible for the [near] free plan that year.

Otherwise, come 2028, you may be screwed because $50-70k will be added to your income that year.

Do you have to redeem all of them at once?
Although you don’t gain anymore interest after 30 years, couldn’t you redeem something like half in 2028 and half in 2029…or 1/3 in 2028, 1/3 in 2029, 1/3 in 2030, etc.?

Mike

<I hope you’ve been paying taxes on the phantom income from those I-bonds throughout the years! >

Actually, I haven’t been since I thought that I could defer the interest distributions and gradually withdraw them after maturity (2031).

WRONG!!!

The ever-knowledgeable aj485 gave me a sharp wake-up call about 2 months ago.

Yikes!

I have started to pay taxes on the interest in 2021. I will have to pay taxes on the interest from now on. I will have to keep complete records so the IRS doesn’t charge taxes on interest which has already been paid from 2021 - 2031.

Many thanks to aj485 for saving me a huge tax hit in 2031.
Thank you, MarkR, for also pointing this out.
Incidentally, I’m age 68 and already on Medicare.

Wendy

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<Do you have to redeem all of them at once?
Although you don’t gain anymore interest after 30 years, couldn’t you redeem something like half in 2028 and half in 2029…or 1/3 in 2028, 1/3 in 2029, 1/3 in 2030, etc.?>

I bought a large amount of paper I-Bonds in 2001 which yield (3% + inflation). Since they are paper, I could redeem some of them before their 30-year maturity but I would rather pay the taxes and keep them churning out the interest. The amount of interest is so large that it’s better to spread out the taxes over 10 years.

I also have electronic I-Bonds from Treasury Direct. I’m not sure about the partial redemption and taxation of those. But I do intend to pay the taxes on the interest.

Wendy

I-bond interest

"When must I report the interest on my tax form?
You have a choice. You can

report the interest every year

put off (defer) reporting the interest until you file a federal income tax return for the year in which the first of these events occurs:

you cash the bond and receive what the bond is worth, including the interest, or

you give up ownership of the bond and the bond is reissued, or

the bonds stops earning interest because it has reached final maturity"


Once upon a time, you could get $30K in paper bonds and $30K in electronic bonds…that era is long over.

Now it’s just 10K/yr…or 15K maybe if you use your tax return refund…


I’ve got an I-bond or two…and when they mature, will take the hit but still in low 20% bracket. … but tax bracket a lot lower now that was working and bought them - and for the next 10 years.

t.

MarkR asks,

<<Absolutely! The $29,000 I have in i-bonds purchased in 1998 has grown to $73,000 – $29k in the S&P500 would be worth $146,000 today. I’ll leave it to the student to determine which bank balance offers more “safety”.

I hope you’ve been paying taxes on the phantom income from those I-bonds throughout the years! Otherwise, come 2028, you may be screwed because $50-70k will be added to your income that year. I assume you may be on medicare by then, but if you were still on ACA, you might not be eligible for the [near] free plan that year.

I haven’t been paying phantom Federal income taxes, but I do have the maturity of the i-bonds in my tax plan going forward.

Since I turned 65 last year and no longer have to worry about the ACA income limits, I’ve been doing an annual Roth conversion to top off my target income tax bracket. In the years I have a tranch of i-bonds maturing, I’ll just be making a slightly smaller Roth conversion.

Congress is currently working on legislation that will increase the age for starting RMDs to 75, so that helps, too. The last i-bond matures when I’m 71.

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