There are other problems as well:
EV’s banned from ferries:
Here in the UK EV’s are becoming uninsurable with more and more companies:
Here in the UK business are given tax incentives to buy EV’s – but private sales are down:
If EV’s are so good why the big tax incentives to buy them?
They also do far more damage to roads:
To quote:
The research conducted by data journalists at The Telegraph
Who are these data journalists? Where is their actual research? I looked at SIX other articles quoting this same bit but no one had a link to the actual study or the data behind it. We can’t even get a single quote from one of these data Journalist supporting their findings? Just some unnamed scientist?
I personally stopped accepting in any data that was quoted without a link to the source research. One would think if there really was data that said EVs 2.x times worse than other vehicles even when they don’t weigh 2.x times as much, these data journalists would be more than happy to share the data behind their research.
Not seeing anything in the job description that even suggests that a Data Journalist is required to have any scientific background or education.
There is an interesting article here that refers to the Asphalt Industry Alliance studies and Chris Whapples, some kind of expert on car parks. The problems are still coming out:
Here in the UK there is another potential problem with multi-story car parks. Many of these were built with airfilled concrete and there are some doubts about the weigh of EV’s in them:
I’ve a relative who works in insurance and the big problem with EV’s appears to be claims resulting from fires which could be massive. EV’s catch fire far less than diesel and petrol vehicles but fire brigades can’t seem to put them out if they do catch fire!
It’s all very new stuff that needs sorting out.
Do you have source? Nothing in your article said anything about a ban.
If you already have car insurance, it may be able to cover the insurance risk of a rental vehicle. Rental companies would only use their own insurance when the renter does not have car insurance or the renter’s car insurance doesn’t/won’t cover a rental car (i.e. a car that is not a replacement vehicle for a damaged/destroyed vehicle covered by the insurance company).
Thanks for the link; I decided to take a look at the posting (job filled); but the most interesting item at the link was the description (by otta) of the Telegraph: “The Telegraph was the first newspaper to report on a number of notable news scoops, including the outbreak of World War II . . .” .
Wow, they got the scoop on the start of WWII.
JimA
Because the average cost to buy is higher and the average cost to operate is lower.
Despite your frequently posts of “what ifs” and “what about this” posts, EVs, for most people, will help society overall.
This is because:
This is not to say that EVs are perfect or even for everybody and every use case. But due to inertia, without the tax incentives, most people will just continue on doing what they’ve always done.
Mike
You cna now, I rented from hertz a few weeks ago and they have a barcode thing on the screen that you can connect the phone to the car. The car was great even charging was no problem this was in florida.
Perhaps so, when it is a decision made in advance, not something imposed upon you without choice. Last thing I want to deal with when on a trip is new tech. Tech is a foreign language I just don’t speak and something that spikes my frustration levels to rage.
The problem here is not the EV, but the imposition of new tech on an unsuspecting consumer without choice. In the very least the consumer should have a choice in the matter…well in advance.
IP
Completely agreed, IP. The issue is not that a Tesla sucks (or is the BEST EVAR!), it’s that it wasn’t in the plan for the hapless renter. This means rookie drivers get put in the driver’s seat with no plan, no experience, and no fool proof support from hertz or tesla.
Now, some will (and have) argued that all you have to do is:
Read through the manual - Who does this? Just get in and go most times.
Get an iPhone 14 (joke alert! - any smart phone will do… ish)
Contact hertz website by downloading QR code reader and scanning if not enabled. (There’s an app for that!)
Spend another 30 minutes walking through the features of the car (User Interface/User Experience is wildly different than your average camry)
Plot modifications to your course to include charging stations. (Spend time thinking about how you cannot look for an esso sign along the mainstreet when the low battery light comes on, you need to alter your route entirely, lest you get caught away from a fast charging point)
Plan to stop after a while to recharge for up to 30 minutes, even if it is sooner than you would in a gas car.
Proclaim to the world that the car foisted on you is THE BEST EVAR!
Yes, I’m hyperbolizing. Yes, SOME may find it funny. No, I don’t think IGU and some other EV zealots will approve. This is a joke. It’s only a joke. Please don’t argue this post. You can find my genuine experiences and responses up thread.
QUEUING for chargers at MIDNIGHT in California
I’m usually safely tucked up in bed by midnight 
Is there some reason you don’t read your links before you post them?
After reading the article I’m still confused. They talk about the need for charging stations and indicate people will be charging at home at night. Okay; a friend has an EV (Kia) and he charges at home from a 110 outlet. Does he need a charging station or are they not counting just being able to plug in to 110? For him his overnight 110 charging powers him thru his needs quite well. Are they figuring that in to their projections? I don’t think the article was a worthwhile investment of my time. Please refrain from wasting my time in the future.
JimA
People needing nominal recharging can manage with 110v recharge rates because it is “sufficient”. When you need substantially larger power transfers (larger battery, etc), then 220v (or higher) might be needed. Which is why a charging network with higher capacity is needed. It also means an EV can be charged sufficiently–relatively quickly–for it to hit the road again, even if it is not “fully charged”. Note this also means people who do not have access to a recharge over night because there is no connection to do so (i.e. apt dwellers, and so on).
Another article on the experience of an EV newbie renting one (a Tesla from Avis). Though the article has a clickbait headline, the renter’s experience seems to have been more mixed than a “nightmare.”
TL;DR - they found the car enjoyable, but it was not intuitive for a first time user to figure out everything they wanted/needed to do, and Avis didn’t help in that regard:
My point was the powers that be did not seem to be taking that in to consideration when they were proscribing how many Charging Stations were going to be needed in the next few years. If 90% (just throwing out a number) of EV buyers are satisfied with a 110 outlet at home then the need for some quantity of Charging Stations is considerably different than if 20% are okay with 110. My friend with the Kia says he gets a full charge overnight with his 110 and that is some 150+ miles.
JimA
For real world stuff you need to ‘over-engineer’. Telling somebody that the system is designed to meet 90% of their needs means than it fails them 10% of the time.
DB2
You continue to miss the point - the experts are proscribing a need for a million or more charging stations; if they are not considering the needs of the drivers who are quite satisfied with 110 charging at home then the number they are proscribing is wrong.
JImA
Most people only travel 50 miles or less per day. For example 50 miles for 250 work days is 12,500 miles/year.
Fact check on the 150 miles overnight on 110v/120v circuit.
These circuits have a max of 15 amps and chargers can continuously draw a max of 80% of this for safety, thus 12 amps. That is 1440 watts. The EPA rating has the Kia EV at about 300 wh/mile, thus ~4.8 miles charged per hour. In 10 hours you’d get about 48 miles.
If you drive efficiently (250 wh/m) and charge for 15 hours you could get 86 miles of range.
With the typical 240v charger at home or a workplace you can expect about 25-30 miles of range per hour.
Mike
Two things. The first is convenience. While you may be charged at home with your 110, there will be3 times when you need to charge away from home and that will require a large number of charging stations, even if they are not a primary place for people to charge. You don’t want to make someone drive an extra 15 miles (30 round trip) just to find one, especially when they’re looking at a blinking “low” light.
Second, EVs are doubtless being purchased by people who already have some sort of charging solution at hand, i.e. “a garage” or similar. There is a whole world of people out there without that amenity (condo, apartment dwellers, etc.) which amount to nearly 40% of the population. Since those people are likely underrepresented in the “to date” statistics, if you want to get them into the EV world you are going to have to get some sort of accommodation for them, i.e. public charging stations. (I don’t know if this will work, anyway, but without it it’s sure to fail.)
So the numbers may be skewed because the adoption is not uniform across the population, but eventually you want it to be, or at least make it as close to ideal as possible.