Musk cancels $25,000 Tesla

So did Tesla at first.

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October 23 isn’t exactly the latest news or in any way official.

The first 16 years in fact. Tesla was the first to do it, but I’m skeptical that means they are the only ones who can do it. Tesla is well positioned at the moment, but I don’t think they can sit on their laurels.

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GM and F have been trying to get to EV profitability for several years now. The bar keeps on getting higher continuously as Tesla lowers the cost on its cars and improves the range.

Agreed. My wife FINALLY decided on which EV she wanted and after dithering on the Lyriq and toying with a Blazer, opted to go for a very nice GV70.

FWIIW, she never considered the Model Y once. She really could not stand the interior of the vehicle. Wasn’t ever really interested in FSD.


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Congrats on your new car! For me, besides the ick factor, the Tesla ride quality is awful. The Lyric (and my ZDX) have very nice rides, period. I’m sure the GV70 does as well. I feel the same about FSD.

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The GV70 is a very nice car. The car I owned before my Tesla was a top-of-the-line Genesis and I enjoyed it quite a bit. However, it is important to realize that the GV70, when well-configured, is about $25k more expensive than the Model Y, so they are pretty much in different classes. GV70 is more luxurious, Model Y is more utilitarian.

My only issue with my Genesis was the lack of software updates and lack of timely navigation map updates. I hope they’ve fixed that problem in recent years.

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Ya, there is a massive jump between the Y and the X (40k to 80k) - which to me suggests that there is a big hole in the Tesla lineup.

Wireless Android Auto for the win. Proprietary nav options will always be subpar.

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Some automakers like proprietary systems, because they can ding the car’s owner with “subscription” fees, for the life of the car.

Steve

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I suspect I would like Android Auto, or in my case Apple Carplay. But since my car can do a lot of the driving itself, it needs a good updated NAV map. I really like that Tesla updates it regularly in a timely manner. @steve203 And they don’t have any incremental charge for it. It is downloaded free via WiFi when it becomes available.

But it isn’t just NAV maps that perturbed me with my Genesis. It was also feature fixes that needed a software update that never happened. Or that the dealer demanded $200 to install without even being sure the particular issues were addressed in the software update they were willing to sell me. One example is the “hold” feature, I really like that feature because I don’t have to hold the brake pedal while waiting at a red light. My Genesis required me to enter “hold mode” EVERY TIME I started the car. It became so annoying. All they needed to do was provide a software update to make it persistent once I set it in the settings.

And Honda is even worse when it comes to software or map updates. I was a Honda guy for decades, and now wouldn’t buy one just because of that. Plus their infotainment UI has been, is, and apparently continues to be horrendous. We just recently disposed of our last Honda. My first Honda was a 1981 2-door Civic Hatch!

That is actually an intentional design feature. You can’t set 1-pedal driving as the default. They chalk it up to safety so that people should assume that you need to use the brake (the default) and you must manually turn off the need to use the brake.

My wife agrees with you BTW.

I noticed that TEMU sells a $70 instrument cluster for Tesla model 3/Mode Y

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The hold mode in my Genesis didn’t enable one-pedal driving. The only thing that enables one pedal driving is a combination of regenerative braking and software to fully stop the vehicle due to less/no pressure on the accelerator.

The hold mode in my Genesis only held the car AFTER I already brought it to a full stop with the brake pedal. That’s MUCH different than the way most EVs operate.

Ahh, I conflated the issues. Yes, that Hold feature also is set to default to off as a safety feature.

As someone that drives a G80, I agree with you. :wink:

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Even with those few annoyances in my Genesis, I loved the car. It had nearly every automobile feature known to man. They had an “Ultimate” package which added ALL the features, and my car (purchased at Carmax) came with the Ultimate package. I couldn’t even list all the features, easily in excess of 200 individual features.