My portfolio at the end of May 2019

My portfolio at the end of May 2019

Here’s the summary of my positions at the end of May. I’m posting on the 28th this month as we will be traveling at the end of the month. Tuesday to Friday this week will carry over into June. You can just think of it as a four week summary, if you like, and you’ll get five weeks for June.

Please note the section “Oh! This Time It’s Different?” just below. In it I have done my best to explain what is going on with the valuation expansion of our companies. I’ll just include it this month (or possibly one more time, at most) as an extra feature.

As always, I’d welcome questions or comments on what I did or didn’t do, and will try to respond. Please note that I almost always use the adjusted figures that the companies give.

OH! THIS TIME IT’S DIFFERENT?
Some investors are very questioning of the valuation of our stocks, which are very high-valued in EV/S terms compared to conventional stocks. I’m sure that some of you have wondered how and why our companies are valued so much higher than conventional companies. I therefore thought that I should give you a more detailed explanation about why our companies have had such a valuation expansion, which has occurred as other investors (and the market) have gradually realized what I will be explaining below. I’ve gone over and over and over my explanation many times to make it as clear as possible, and I hope that it is understandable to you and makes good sense…

Yes, this time IS different! First of all, things do change (a lot), and to think that everything is destined to always be the same as it was in the past doesn’t make much sense in a world that is changing as rapidly as ours. But in truth, it’s not that this “time” is different, it’s what we are investing in that’s different. What we are investing in never existed before. Look, ten years ago I searched for companies growing at 15% or 20% a year. And 25% was a dream come true. Now I wouldn’t even bother looking at a company with 20% or 25% revenue growth.

We are investing in a new model of enterprise. Our companies have very high revenue growth year after year. I’m talking about 40% to 65% per year for most of them, but some even higher. These are very high gross margin companies (70% to 92% for the most part). Their revenue is almost all recurring and thus largely locked in, and their dollar-based net retention rates are generally considerably greater than a very respectable 115-120%, meaning that last year’s customers buy a lot more this year than they bought last year, instead of having an attrition rate, or even, forbid-the-thought, companies which have customers making one time purchases, and thus which don’t even have any revenue guaranteed next year at all. I’ve never seen companies like ours before. Have you?

Now of course a company growing revenue 50% per year, with 95% recurring revenue, 92% gross margins, and a 130% dollar-based net retention rate is worth a much, much, higher EV/S than the old model of company, with fairly low revenue growth, low gross margins, and with little or no visibility into revenue for the next year and beyond!

And of course companies without security of revenue had to show a profit (PE) before we’d invest in them. Of course we pay more for a company where revenue is recurring.

And, of course rapidly growing revenue which has very high gross margins is worth more per dollar of present revenue (in other words, it has a higher EV/S) than slower growing, and lower gross margin, revenue. WHY? Let me explain it to you.

Look at it this way. Let’s consider an extreme example for clarity of understanding: I’ll take hypothetical conventional or traditional company and compare it with an equally imaginary one of our SaaS companies:

Let’s say that our conventional company has a 23% gross margin. That means it keeps $23 out of every $100 of revenue to cover operating expenses and profit. And let’s say our SaaS company has a 92% gross margin. That means that it keeps $92 out of that same $100 of revenue. (I said it would be an extreme example, but Alteryx had a 92% gross margin last year, and a 55% rate of revenue growth).

Almost by definition, the SaaS company is worth four times as much as the conventional company for every dollar of revenue, because it keeps four times as much of every dollar of that revenue as gross profit….

Thus, it would be totally normal for the SaaS company to have an EV/S ratio four times as high as the conventional company, even if they were growing at the same rate. The high margin company should have an EV/S ratio four times as high! (And, for example, if you were comparing it to a conventional company whose gross margins were 31%, our SaaS company should have an EV/S three times as high, etc.)

Note that that is WITHOUT even taking into account the higher rate of growth, which compounds, and without taking into account the recurring revenue.

“Okay, so tell me:”… WHY is the rate of growth important for comparing EV/S? There’s a heck of a good reason! Next year our company growing at 50% with high margins will have $150 of revenue instead of $100, and with its 92% gross profit margin, it will keep $138 toward covering operating expenses.

Let’s say our conventional company is growing at a nice steady respectable 10% per year. Next year, it will have just $110 of revenue, and with its 23% margins it will keep just $25 towards operating expenses. So now we have $138 versus $25… one year later! The difference in compounding is enormous and grows each year…

It’s astounding in a way, but if we go just one additional year later our SaaS company will have $225 in revenue and will keep $207… while the conventional company will have revenue of $121 and keeps $28.

Look at that again! The two companies both started two years ago with revenue of $100. Now our company is taking home $207 in gross profit , while the conventional company is taking home $28!!! Just two years later!

I won’t trouble you with the calculation for the third year, but our SaaS company growing at 50% will keep $310 in gross profit, which is ten times the $31 the conventional company will keep in gross profit. That gives you an idea of the enormous power of the combination of high growth and high gross margins that our companies are blessed with.

And for those who will maintain that companies can’t maintain 50% revenue growth for three years, Zscaler was over 50% the last two years, and at 59% and 65% the first two quarters of this fiscal year. Twilio was 66%, 44% and 63% for the last three years, Alteryx has been 59%, 53% and 55%, etc, etc, etc.

If the conventional company is trading at an enterprise value of let’s say, four times its revenue, isn’t our SaaS company worth 15 times revenue, or 20 times… or 25 times!

Remember that in two years the SaaS company will be taking home 7.4 times as many dollars in gross profit as the conventional company, and 7.4 times an EV/S of 4 gives you an EV/S of about 30. That’s what many people simply don’t get. You don’t even have to look at that 10x three-year example, which would justify an EV/S of 40.

You can argue that the rate of growth for the conventional company should be 13% instead of 10%, or that it should have a gross margin of 28%, or 35%, instead of 23%, and that will change the numbers slightly, but it won’t change the story at all.

And in our defense, my example used 50% revenue growth, but Okta was the only stock in my portfolio with revenue growth that low last quarter! All the others were above it. In fact, the percent rates of growth of revenue for my companies last quarter were 50%, 51%, 56%, 58%, 59%, 65%, 71%, 81%, and 108%. Thus you see that using 50% for our SaaS companies in the calculation was no exaggeration. In fact, it was actually being quite conservative. And five of my nine companies had gross margins over 80%, and two others were over 75%.

Now let’s consider that our company has almost all recurring revenue, and a dollar based net retention rate of 130%, which means that it is enormously more certain that our SaaS company will have increased revenue next year than that the conventional company will even have the same revenue next year. How much is that worth in increased EV/S? Is that security of our revenue worth another 30% tacked on? Or 20%, or 40%. I don’t know. But it becomes clear that, by simple arithmatic, the reason that our SaaS companies are exploding in EV/S is that the market is starting to do the same arithmatic that I just did.

To summarize
We have Factor One – that a company with a higher percentage of gross profit, takes home more dollars out of each $100 of revenue, and thus, by definition, is worth a higher EV/S, even without considering the higher rate of growth.

Then Factor Two, which is perhaps even more important, that companies with high rates of growth of revenue will compound that revenue enormously in just two or three years, and that, combined with the high gross profit margins, will produce hugely more gross profit margin dollars than a conventional slower growing company that started with the same revenue.

That our companies have an even greater EV/S (EV divided by current sales), flows by definition from that, when compared to a conventional company with the same revenue!

Finally Factor Three, which is perhaps less easy to quantify, but a large percentage of recurring revenue and a high dollar based net retention rate gives much more security to the revenue, and to its potential increase, and thus would warrant an even further increase to the EV/S in some investors’ eyes (like mine).

To summarize the summary,
What we are talking about is that the huge, even enormous, present and future relative number of gross profit margin dollars that our companies have, and will have in the future, for each current dollar of revenue, because of their growth rates and high gross margins, compared to the relatively small amount of gross margin profit that a traditional company has, and will have, for the same current dollar of revenue, is what gives our companies the much larger EV/S ratios. Simple as that!

And don’t bother telling me our companies are not making any profit. Any company with 75%, 85% or 95% gross margins can make a profit whenever they decide to! All they need to do is slow down their enormous S&M spending, whose purpose is to grab every new customer they can grab while the grabbing is good. Personally, I’d rather they keep grabbing all those customers now, because revenue will keep flowing from them for the indefinite future.

So YES, this is a different set of facts we are dealing with. And yes, it is different this time. That’s how I see it anyway. And I hope that I made it clear for you.

ON MARKET TIMING
Let me remind you that I’m no good on timing the market, and I don’t try. If I did, I would have exited all my positions at the end of April 2017, when I was up 26% in four months and my portfolio had already beaten my total results of the previous two years. It was clearly time to get out and wait for the pullback that never came!

I feel the same now. The amount I’m up in five months sounds ridiculous too, but I don’t know the future, and I am surely not going to sell out of great companies because their share prices have risen.

Picking good companies makes much more sense to me than trying to pick good companies AND trying to time the market too. I have stocks in a small group of remarkable companies, in which I have high confidence for the most part. I feel that they mostly dominate their markets or their niches, they are category crushers or disruptors, they have customers that absolutely need them, they have long runways, and they will have great futures.

MY RESULTS YEAR-TO-DATE
I would have been happy at the beginning of this year with a gain of 25% for the whole year, after the huge gains the last two years. Well, my portfolio closed May up 42.2% year-to-date. This is up just 1.5 percentage points from my April close of up 40.7%.

Here is the monthly progress of my portfolio results since the beginning of 2019:


**End of Jan 	+16.5%**
**End of Feb	+28.0%**
**End of Mar	+36.9%**
**End of Apr	+40.7%**
**End of May	+42.2%**

What can I say? Just that investing in great companies pays off.

HOW DID THE MARKET INDEXES DO?

Let’s look at results year-to-date. The three indexes that I’ve been tracking against for ages closed year-to-date as follows.

The S&P 500 (Large Cap)
Closed up 12.7% year-to-date. (It started the year at 2507 and is now at 2826). It was down 4.6 points on the month.

The Russell 2000 (Small and Mid Cap)
Closed up 12.2% year-to-date. (It started the year at 1349 and is now at 1514). It was down 5.8 points on the month.

The IJS ETF (Small Cap Value)
Closed up 9.0% year-to-date. (It started the year at 131.9 and is now at 153.6). It was down 8.3 points on the month.

These three indexes
Averaged up 11.3% year-to-date, which is down 6.2 points on the month.

If you throw in the Dow, which is up 9.7% (down 4.1 points on the month) and

If you throw in the Nasdaq, which is up 15.1% (down 7.7 points on the month)

You get an average of up 11.7% for the five of them year to date… which is down 6.1 points on the month.

Do you remember, by the way, all the people who told us that we are doing great thanks to an out-of-control Bull Market, but that when the market goes down our “over-valued” stocks will go down two or three times as much as the market? Hah!

Since the beginning of last year (2018), the five indexes are up 2.2%. Now compare that result with my portfolio’s gain of 143.7% in those 17 months (1.714 x 1.422 = 2.437). Read that again: 2.2% for the indexes, 143.7% for my portfolio. Tell me what about those results makes investing in the averages seem “conservative” to you?

And, if you want a real shocker, my results from the beginning of 2017 are more than a quadruple (in fact, half way from a quadruple to a quintuple): 1.842 x 1.714 x 1.422 = 4.49. Clearly, picking stocks that will be winners, the way we do, has beaten investing in ETF’s and Indexes, and by huge amounts.

For more on why I compare against those indexes, please see my summary at the end of 2018. To simply state my goals, I’m simply trying to measure my performance against that of the average return for an investor in the stock market, and combining those five indexes gives a pretty good approximation.

TO AVOID ANY MISUNDERSTANDING.
As I have tried to make clear elsewhere, when I give the cumulative percentage gain of my portfolio (for example: up 143.7% in 17 months), I am talking about my investment results, not the total dollars in my portfolio.

What in the world does Saul mean by that? Well, I’ve been retired for 23 years and my entire family has lived off what I can make in the market for those 23 years, with money constantly being removed for every kind of expense, from buying groceries, furniture, and clothes, to buying cars and sending my daughter to college and grad school. Oh, and paying taxes! Everything.

So how does that work as far as calculations of investment results? Let’s do a simple very hypothetical example: Say I started with $100 and a year later I had $150, so my portfolio was up 50%. If I was still working and I added $40 so that I now had $190 in my investment portfolio, my investments weren’t suddenly up 90%. My investing still made 50%. And if I take out $40 for expenses and now have just $110, I didn’t suddenly only make 10% investing. I still made 50% investing.

Let’s say that that’s what I did, I took out $40 for expenses, and I now have $110. Then let’s say that the next year my investments were up 50% again, which added $55 and gave me a total of $165. Feeling flush, this year I took out a little more, say $42 instead of $40, so I had $123 remaining.

So my investments for those two years were up 125%, and were two and a quarter times what I started with. (I was up 50% each year and 1.50 x 1.50 = 2.25). However my dollars are only up $23 (or 23%) from the $100 I started with, because of all the money I withdrew for expenses.

Compounding that another year at 50% and taking out $45 for expenses, I’ll spare you the calculations, but my investments were up 237.5% in three years, (337.5% of what I started with - compounding is amazing), but I have just $139.50 in dollars, or up $39.50 …. Again because of all the money I withdrew to live on. Dollars keep going up, but slowly and nothing like my investment results.

On the other hand, those of you who are still working can keep adding to your investment dollars, and thus your dollars can grow even faster than your investment results! Lucky you!

I hope that this explanation helped clarify what I’ve been talking about.

LAST FOUR MONTHS REVIEW

February. I decided that I had been wrong about Mongo, and I bought back in in early in February

I added back to Square as my confidence returned as they kept coming out with amazing new products. I still felt though that it doesn’t belong in my top four or five positions.

To get money for these purchases I reduced Alteryx from over 20% to 17%. (Having 0% in Mongo and 20% in Alteryx just didn’t make sense to me).

I also exited my speculative position in Guardant Health after thinking about all the things they are hoping for which might not happen. Guardant shot up the week after I sold out, this time because of a MF recommendation, and because they reported great results from their NILE study. In my defense I had no way of knowing either of those was coming.

In March, Nutanix announced that their sales were falling off a cliff and I exited at $34.60, and am not looking back. On this one I will say “Never again!”

Guardant Health announced that their Nile Study was a success, and I felt that this would ensure that the FDA will approve it, and I bought back in at about $70.70, inspite of a 70% or so rise from when I sold. It rose to $100 and then fell back, finishing March at $76.70, up 8.5% from my $70.70 purchase.

Mongo again! I exited when I mistakenly thought that they had backed down on their new software licensing rules, but bought back almost immediately after they blew out their quarterly report, even though it had run up after earnings. You are probably tired of hearing about my wavering on Mongo, and I am too. I can’t think of anything that will make me sell Mongo again except actual poor operational results, which I don’t think will happen.

I told the board that I considered my little SaaS positions like Docusign, Coupa, Zuora, EverBridge, with 30-40% growth and 110-120% retention rates, as weak relatives to our dominant SaaS positions, and asked for suggestions for a new position that would be better. I got a huge outpouring of good advice and I finally sold all of the little try-outs and I started a position in SmartSheets, which fit much better, with revenue growth of 58%, and a retention rate of 134%.

In April, I finally exited Guardant again and put the money into Mongo, Zscaler, Okta, and The Trade Desk. I didn’t add to Twilio as it was already too big. All my bouncing around on Guardant didn’t amount to a hill of beans as I gained 10% the first time and lost 2% the second time, on smallish positions.

Here’s why I did what I did! I kept Elastic at a one percent position because of its ‘pure open source’ model, which made me uneasy for a long term holding, as well as the issues of dilution, and of the lock-up expiring, and just preferred to have the money in Mongo which is growing as fast and seems safer. I just don’t understand all the issues involved with being open source. I see that Amazon couldn’t use Mongo’s code and had to copy it (re-invent the wheel), but it could use Elastic’s basic code. I just sleep better with money in Okta, Zscaler, Trade Desk, and Alteryx, which don’t have the same kind of issues. I reduced Guardant, and finally sold out of it, because of all the posts on the board by knowledgeable people pointing out that Guardant isn’t the sure thing, and huge TAM, that it had originally seemed to me to be.

In May, there were a lot fewer changes. Basically, I eliminated my 1% position in Elastic and moved to Zoom. That’s very odd from me who was writing last month about how overpiced Zoom was, but then I started taking into account the high margins and higher growth rate (see my opening section at the beginning of this post for more on that), and I decided to take a smallish position. As far as Elastic, I just can’t own them all, and in spite of muji’s and others’ enthusiasm, I couldn’t get my confidence level up to where it needed to be. The rest of my portfolio is pretty much unchanged.

HOW THE INDIVIDUAL STOCKS HAVE DONE
Here’s how my current positions have done this year . I’ve arranged them in order of percentage gain. I’ve used the start of the year price for stocks I’ve been in all year, and my initial buy price for stocks I’ve added during the year. Please remember that these starting prices are from the beginning of this year, and not from when I originally bought them if I bought them in earlier years.


**Zscaler from 39.21 to 73.76  	        up   88.1%**
**Okta from 63.80 to 109.63		up   71.8%**
**Trade Desk from 116.1 to 195.9	        up   68.7%**
**Twilio from 89.30 to 133.90		up   49.9%**
**Alteryx from 59.47 to 86.29		up   45.1%**
**Square from 56.09 to 64.66		up   15.3%** 
**SmartSheets from 39.21 to 43.33	        up   10.5%** 
**MongoDB from 131.47 to 139.77	        up    6.3%    3rd   time**
**Zoom from 77.63 to 76.25	        down  1.8%	new in May** 

Exited positions this year showing my gain or loss from the beginning of this year, or from when I first bought if it was during the year, and my average exit price. Please remember that these are from the beginning of this year and not from when I originally bought them, if I bought them in earlier years. You’ll note that almost all of these were tiny little try-out positions that I ended up deciding against, and don’t represent actual churn of the body of my portfolio


**Docusign from 43.75 to 56.80	        up    23.4%**
**Zuora from 19.80 to 24.00 		up    21.2%**
**Elastic from 71.48 to 83.80		up    17.2**
**Guardant from 37.59 to 41.50	        up    10.4%  	1st time**
**Anaplan from 28.75 to 31.05 	        up     8.0%** 
**Mongo from 95.0 to 99.9		        up     5.2% 	1st time**
**Coupa from 91.95 to 93.13		up     3.0%**
**Abiomed from 325.0 to 334.0		up     2.8%** 
**EverBridge from 73.58 to 73.95	        up     0.5%**
**Vericel from 17.40 to 17.38	       down    0.1%**
**Guardant from 70.70 to 69.50           down    1.7%   2nd  time** 
**Mongo from 83.74 to 76.20	       down    9.0%  	2nd  time**
**Nutanix from 41.59 to 36.00	       down   13.4%** 

MY HERO COMPANIES.
Square, Alteryx, Twilio and Okta have all been in my portfolio for more than a year now, and Zscaler hits a year in June, although I did reduce my position in Square a some months ago and built it partially back in February. The Trade Desk has now hit seven months from when I bought it last October.

Twilio is a quintuple in under a year and a half, at 5.2 times what I paid for it in January a year ago ($25.70) and up 421%.

Okta is 3.7 times what I paid for it ($29.95), also in January, a year ago, more than a triple, up 266%.

Square is almost four times what I paid for it (or more than a triple), up 269% since I first bought it in March 2017 at $17.50, a bit over two years ago.

Alteryx is up 211%. That means it’s 3.1 times what I paid for it in December 2017, a year and some months ago, at $27.72, or just over a triple.

Zscaler is up 106%, a double, since I bought it 11 months ago, in June 2018, at $35.84.

And finally Trade Desk is up 62% in seven months, from when I bought it at $121.0 last October

This is how you make money in the stock market, buying exceptional companies and holding them as long as the story doesn’t change.

And another point from this is:

Do you think I care, or even remember, if I bought Twilio at $25.90, $25.70, or $25.50, now that it’s a quintuple and its price is $134.92? Think about that for a moment! I know that I belabored this in the Knowledgebase, but the decision that matters as far as making money in the market is “Do I want a position in this company?” and not “Can I buy it 25 cents cheaper?” I think that if you have stocks that you want to buy because you believe they will GO UP, and then you put in buy orders for them 25 cents or 50 cents below the market, and hope that they will FALL to your price, you are out of your mind! But that’s just my opinion.

Earlier in May I was reading a Roundtable Discussion put out by the sponsors of our board, and I came across this sad paragraph by one of the participants:

If we get a sell-off I would definitely consider buying in. It’s a stock I’ve always wanted to get into! Unfortunately, though, this approach has been killing me because the stock is up 60% in the last three months. So I keep waiting for the sell-off, but the sell-off was actually right then, three months ago, when I should have bought it.

I don’t have to say anything else. The guy wanted to get into it. He liked it. But he wanted to buy it a few percent lower so that he could congratulate himself that he got a bargain, and “Wasn’t I smart?” So he missed a 60% rise in three months. How many times would he have to succeed at scalping a few percent in order to make up for the 60% gain that he missed?

If you want to be in a company because you think it’s doing great, and that the stock will go up, at least take a starter position that you can add to. Don’t wait around for the sell-off that may never come.

POSITION SIZES.

I’m still trying to keep my portfolio concentrated and streamlined. I’m now back to nine positions, which is quite concentrated. My top three positions make up 55% of my portfolio, and the top six of the nine make up 88%. By the way, keeping my number of stocks down really makes me focus my mind and decide which are really the best and highest confidence positions.

Here are my positions in order of position size. Note that the Twilio, Zscaler, and Alteryx positions are larger than I usually like, but they are high conviction Category Crushers. Note also that if you compare with a month ago, the top three are about the same size, Okta has passed The Trade Desk, while Mongo and SmartSheets have increased in size.


**Twilio			19.7%**
**Zscaler		 	19.1%**
**Alteryx 		16.0%**
**Okta			12.5%**
**Mongo 		 	10.3%**
**The Trade Desk	        10.2%**
**Smartsheets 		 5.8%**
**Square			 3.0%**
**Zoom      		 3.0%** 

STOCK REVIEWS

My largest positions are Twilio, Zscaler, and Alteryx. They are all small companies but in my opinion they each dominate the market they are in with little credible competition (except do-it-yourself). I’d have to call the three of them Category Crushers, and juggernauts.

Twilio is a 19.7% position. It provides communication services and it seems to have no viable competition in what it does besides “do-it-yourself”. In April Twilio announced enormous results for the March quarter and proved it is still a Category Crusher, a Juggernaut, a One-of-a-Kind company, and a pure phenomenon of nature. Its base revenue growth accelerated from 46% a year ago to 88% this quarter!!! The last six quarters’ growth rates have been:

40%
46%
54%
68%
77%
88% !!!

Yes I know that they made excuses for the great growth and said it was partly due to one big customer, and partly due to the acquisition. But these companies always try to damp down expectations like that, so they can beat expectations. Next quarter they will have a different excuse for their enormous growth and for their low guidance.

Now look at dollar based net retention rate: 118% a year ago. That was great. But now it’s 146%. That’s greater! The last six quarters have been:
118%
132%
137%
145%
147%
146%

They hit adjusted profit in the June quarter last year unexpectedly, and have stayed profitable since.

They had 154,000 Active Customer Accounts about triple the 54,000 they had a year ago. This was driven partly by customer acquisition and partly by their SendGrid acquisition. It doesn’t take much imagination to think about the cross-selling that can come both ways from that!!!

They continue to have euphoric conference calls:

And the average revenue per customer continues to grow at a 25% to 30% rate.

… I think that that means there’s a runway for us for many, many years to be replacing old legacy technology… I think there is going to be no shortage of opportunity for us to do that for years to come.

…It’s still day one of this journey.

There was a lot of obsessing on our board and elsewhere about “weak” guidance. For the life of me I don’t understand why anyone even looks at the guidance figures for these companies. Have you ever seen even one of our SaaS companies that doesn’t simply destroy their guidance at least 95% of the time? Why waste your time unless reduced guidance is due to an actual problem with the business (ie Nutanix). Follow the actual results!

I’ll give Twilio six confidence stars. To be honest, probably seven stars on a one to six scale. Do I like it? I’ll let you figure it out.

I wrote a long two-part deep dive on Twilio about a month ago, in case you missed it.

Zscaler is in second place at 19.1% of my portfolio. I’ve continued to build my position. It has an interesting, innovative, and revolutionary idea in Internet security. They feel that putting a hardware firewall around a company doesn’t work anymore, now that the enterprise company is partly in the cloud and people can sign in from anywhere, and sign on to other outside programs from within the enterprise. Zscaler provides native cloud-based security, and as far as I can tell they are far and way the leader in this, if not the only player. They have 100-plus data centers all around the world, which would be difficult for most potential competitors to replicate. Zscaler has been operating them for ten years.

Here’s what their last earnings looked like:

Revenue was up 65% to $74 million. This was an acceleration from 53% growth a year ago, and an acceleration from 59% sequentially, from 54% the quarter before that, and from 49% the quarter before that. Now go back and read that again!

Why is Zscaler’s revenue growth accelerating like that instead of slowing down by the law of large numbers. Well their quarterly revenue was only $74 million. It’s a small company. And they aren’t selling something trivial. It’s the security of the customer’s entire company. For a big enterprise to trust Zscaler with the family jewels of its security requires an act of faith.

Therefore, as Zscaler became a listed company, grew larger, and also signed up more and more large enterprises as customers, they could show more revenue, and more large company references, and thus other large enterprises feel better and better about trusting them. So it snowballs, and with each signing it becomes easier and easier to sign the next large customer, and they seem to have passed that inflection point, and are taking off.

Calculated billings were up an astounding 74% from $66 million to $115 million. Read that over carefully too.

Adj net income of $11.6 million, up from a LOSS of $2.8 million.

Adj operating income was 13% of revenue or $10 million, improved from a LOSS of 6% of revenue or $2.7 million, a year ago.

Adj EPS was 9 cents, improved from a LOSS of 3 cents

Free cash flow was $12 million, or 16% of revenue, up from a LOSS of $4.6 million, or 10% of revenue

Cash $340 million, up $26 million sequentially, and No Debt.

Named a leader in Gartner for the 8th year in a row.

Zscaler Private Access (ZPA) is the first zero trust architecture to achieve AWS Security Competency status, and it achieved FedRamp authorization. This sets the stage to further expand its growth within the Federal market.

You’ve probably figured out by now why I’ve built Zscaler into my second largest position. In my opinion Zscaler is a Disruptor, a Category Crusher, and a juggernaut like Twilio and Alteryx. The traditional security providers can’t compete with Zscaler because their businesses are built around high-priced hardware and firewalls, and they don’t have the data centers all over the world that Zscaler has. I’ve been building my position steadily, and I now give it a full six out of six confidence rating. It sells at a high valuation, as you might expect. Here’s a little plug from a recent post by Tinker which helps explain my high confidence”

…Cyber-security is such a core necessity of our modern world that a company like Zscaler - a “mere provider of security services”, but in a different manner - is enabling an entirely different network framework that is far more efficient and useful than what exists….

There seems to be no more core and essential technology today, or one that is more important… than SECURITY…. You cannot run a business today of any scale without serious security – period! Heck you cannot even run a home website showing off baby pictures without keeping the wolves at bay. Your iPhone, Android phone, Alexa unit, etc., can all be attacked. And those are the lowest value units on the totem pole. Your entire business can be destroyed, demolished, without security.

But security that encumbers you is almost as bad. That is what makes OKTA and Zscaler so successful. They not only secure, they simplify and unemcumber you.

Next is Alteryx. This is my 3rd largest position at 16.0% of my portfolio. What they do is to enable non-techies to quickly and easily analyze data. Their clients therefore love them. They changed accountants recently because their current accountant, Price Waterhouse, was reselling so much Alteryx solutions to their other clients, that they could no longer consider it non-material, and wanted to avoid any appearance of conflict of interest. Thus their choice showed that they were happier having Alteryx as a valued technology partner than keeping it as just one more accounting client.

When they announced December quarter results, they prepared us for their forthcoming change from ASC 605 to the new standard 606. First I’ll give you the 605 results for comparability to previous quarters. their revenue percentage growth looks like this:


**2016:          57  67**
**2017:  61  50  55  55**
**2018:  50  54  59  57**

That looks solid as a rock to me. However the change to the new accounting system confused everything.

Going on to March results the percentage revenue growth under the new system was 51%.

Their adjusted gross margin was 90%!

Their dollar based net retention rate was 134

Their number of customers, which is 4973, is 315% the number of customers that they had three years ago, and up about 35% yoy.

The number of shares is growing fairly slowly, which is remarkable for one of these super fast growing companies.

They feel they have no competition. From one of their earlier conference calls: “We are in a space where there’s little to no competition and a much larger TAM.”

The stock finished 2018 year up 135% for the year. I still feel very justified in calling Alteryx a Category Crusher, with very high confidence level. I’d give it six confidence stars out of six. I reduced my position from 20% to 17% in April for cash to buy back into Mongo. (Having 20% in Alteryx and 0% in Mongo just didn’t make any sense).

Actually I think Twilio, Zscaler, and Alteryx as juggernauts. They are each a one-of-a-kind company. Each seems to control its space and is growing like mad.

Okta is now in fourth and has grown into a 12.5% position, and is at a five star confidence level. What Okta does is control individual sign-on to all the apps you use using a native cloud SaaS platform. It’s called identity and access management. It is loved by the people who use it, because they no longer need a million passwords for each program they sign on to. I almost backed it down from 5 stars to 4.5 stars because the rate of revenue growth “fell” from 58% to 50% sequentially. That’s the bad news. The good news is that it has become evident from the conference call, and their recent acquisitions, that they do a lot more than smart sign in, more than I can understand, for sure, and it seems likely their revenue growth will take off again. I added considerably in April and was rewarded as the share price rose 24% from $82 to $102 in those four weeks. This is a Disruptor and Category Leader, and a Cloud-based New Market Stock.

Some weeks ago, some on the board were bemoaning Okta’s high EV/S ratio and apparently dropping growth rate, and announced they had sold their positions or trimmed them, but it’s been rock-solid, finishing the week only 1% below its all-time weekly close, and now up 71% year-to-date. As I’ve said, I never sell out of a company because it’s gone up.

MongoDB. As I wrote in my four month summary, I’ve been in and out a couple of times, being scared out by Amazon, Red Hat and a lot of other FUD, each time having to buy back at a significantly higher price than the one I had sold at. Such is life! You can’t go back in time and buy it two weeks ago. A shame, isn’t it? You are probably tired of hearing about my wavering on Mongo, and I am too. I can’t think of anything that will make me sell again except bad operational results, which I don’t think will happen. It’s now in 5th place at 10.3% of my portfolio.

Mongo has pretty much invented its solution and category, although it does have competition. It’s the leader in NoSQL data storage and last quarter its revenue growth accelerated to 85% from 50% the year before. (That’s under ASC 605, but from now on it will be reporting under 606, which will confuse comparisons for a while). It has chosen to put almost all its money into growing, and thus is still running an adjusted loss, which was 28% of revenue for 2018, down from a loss of 49% of revenue in 2017. (Under ASC 606 it was only 19.5% for 2018).

Bert likes it, the MF likes it, and Mongo has come out with Atlas which gives it a fully managed cloud solution, and Atlas is growing at about 300%, although off a small base. I’ll call Mongo a Disrupter, a Category Leader, and a Big Data New Market Stock, and I’ll give it four confidence stars for now.

The Trade Desk announced stupendous results at the end of February, and rose $47, or more than 31%, in one day. Revenue was up 56%, with growth accelerating from 42% a year ago. Earnings were up just over 100% (!) Then, in May, they announced results that beat estimates, and all the analysts raised target prices, most by $25 to $30, but the market didn’t like it, because revenues were “only” up by 41%. Management was very upbeat and raised estimates for the year. EPS was up 44% yoy. The stock sold off rather massively but is on its way back.

It is an 10.2% position, having lost some percentage because of its sell-off, and is in 6th place in my portfolio. I’d still rate it five confidence stars now, getting over my mistrust in them over them being an advertising company, which is a field that I have zero confidence in, because I feel that this is a very unique innovative and creative company. The Trade Desk seems to be a Leader in a Rapidly Growing niche Market within the larger field of advertising, which up to now is controlled by the behemoths.

For more on why I didn’t panic about Trade Desk’s decreased growth rate this quarter I’d suggest reading my post #55674 about why I sold Shopify but kept Trade Desk.

SmartSheets is in 7th place at 5.8% of my portfolio. I had said when I asked for help, that my three little SaaS companies (DOCU, ZUO,COUP), with 30% to 40% growth and net retention rates of 110% to 120%, were good companies but they seemed like weaker versions of my full position companies. Well, you guys found Smartsheets for me, and it was what I had been looking for. I established a position and I am currently considering it as a long-term hold.

Revenues were up 58% last quarter, and up 60% for the year (down from 66% the year before). Current guidance to 45% for the next year is just silly.

Subscription revenue was about 89% of total revenue and was up 57% for the year (down from 61% the year before).

Adjusted gross margins were 82% for the year, up from 81% the year before. Subscription gross margins were 88%, which is in the range we are looking for.

Billings were 121% of revenue for the year and were growing at 59%.

Customers with ACV over $50,000 and $100,000 were 444, up from 189, and 147, up from 65, (up 135% and up 126% !!!).

The net retention rate was 134% last quarter, up from 132 sequentially, and from 130% the year before.

They hit positive free cash flow for the first time last quarter.

It’s kind of odd but I don’t see any weak spots to worry about. I could mention revenue growth rate, but it’s hard to worry about a growth rate of 58% for the last quarter and 60% for the year. I’d give them four stars of confidence for now.

Square, in a tie for 8th and 9th place, is now 3.0%. The main reason it keeps slipping in percentage of my portfolio recently is that everything else is moving up in share price and Square’s stock price has been dribbling down.

It announced March quarter results a month ago. It has been annoucing incredibly good results. Its total revenue has grown year-over-year by 39%, 41%, 45%, 47%, 51%, 60%, 68%, 64%, and 59% in its last eight quarters.

How is that happening? It’s because its Subscription and Service Revenue which is its high margin revenue, the good stuff, is growing at over 100%, and is now over 45% of revenue. Quarterly it’s grown year-over-year by 104%, 97%, 86%, 98%, 98%, and then, the last four quarters, by 131%, 155%, 151%, and 126% (!).

Adjusted EBITDA was $62 million, up about 72% from $36 million the year before, and was 12.7% of adjusted revenue.

They’ve were adjusted profitable in 2016, 2017, and 2018, and EPS grew from 4 cents to 27 cents to 47 cents. We also learned that Square’s Cash App passed PayPal’s Venmo in total downloads (which was a big surprise for most of us.

Square also released Square Payroll App in September, and Square Payroll and Square Terminal in October, and Square Reader SDK, and Square Installment somewhere in there, and now Square Card andSquare Payments, and Square Payroll, and Square for Retail, and Square Online Stores (competing with Shopify) so Square is still rolling along for now! I can’t keep track of all of them so I may have missed some. Somewhere in there they added Square Appointments for service businesses, and last week it was Square Invoices.

As far as Sarah Friar leaving, I’ll miss seeing her but Square will probably get along without her.

So why in the world did I cut my position so markedly? Read my reasons in my Dec monthly summary.

I didn’t feel that I needed to sell out of all my Square, and I added some back since December as I’ve regained confidence with the hiring of a new CFO and with some of their announcements of creative new products, but I felt that it shouldn’t be in the top half of my portfolio. I’ll call it a Rapidly Growing Company in a Rapidly Expanding Market, and I’ll rate them four confidence stars out of six. I don’t have a clue why it has been stuck in place, except that some other people may have had some of the same worries I had.

Tied with Square for 8th and 9th place at 3.0% of my portfolio is Zoom(!) of all things, which last month I said was multiples too high. What happened? Well, the Oomph scale, that some kind spirit brought to the board, made me think about the figures that you’ll find in the opening section of this post entitled OH! THIS TIME IT’S DIFFERENT? And that’s what changed my mind.

There were a couple of long write-ups on Zoom last month, around the time of the IPO, but here are some financials:


**Q1	 Q2	  Q3	   Q4	        YR**
**Revenues**
**2017: 	        xx	 xx	  xx       xx	         61**
**2018		27	 33	  41       51           151**
**2019		60       75       90      106           331**

**% Increase**
**2018						       149%**
**2019	       122	127	 120      108          119%**

**Revenue Growth per year declined from 149% to 119%, which is normal with increasing size.** 

**GAAP Gross Margins %**
**2017: 			                                80%**
**2018		79	 79	  81      79            80%**
**2019		81	 83	  81      82            82%**

**Adj Gross Margins %**
**2018		81	 82	   82       80          81%**
**2019		82	 84	   84       86          84%**

**Gross margins look great, and RISING!**

**Op Cash Flow (millions of dollars)**
**2017:    9.3** 
**2018:   19.4** 
**2019:   51.3** 

**Free Cash Flow (millions of dollars)**
**2018:	 xx**
**2019:    30** 
**Note that those cash flow numbers are positive numbers!**

**Cust with ARR over $100,000**
**2017						 54**
**2018		                                143** 
**2019						344**

**% Increase !!!!!!!!**
**2018						165%**
**2019			                      	141%**

**These figures don’t need any explanation and show how well the business is doing.**

**Customers with over 10 employees	 (in thousands)**
**2017: 					        10.9**
**2018						25.8**
**2019						50.8**

**% Increase**
**2018			   			137%**
**2019						 97%**

**Dollar based net retention rate**
**2019		138	 139	  140** 
**2020**

**High and rising!** 

I don’t really see what their moat is except that they are obviously doing what they are doing better than anyone else is doing it. It is thus not a high confidence position (combined with it’s high valuation), so I’m keeping my position small.

FINISHING UP
I feel that most of my portfolio is made up of a bunch of great companies. But that’s just my opinion, and I can’t say often enough that I’m not a techie and I don’t really understand what most of them actually do at all ! I just know what great results look like. I figure that if their customers clearly like them and keep buying their products in hugely increasing amounts, they must have something going for them and, as I’ve often said, I follow the money, the results. And I listen to smart people about the prospects of these companies.

When I take a regular position in a stock, it’s always with the idea of holding it indefinitely, or as long as circumstances
seem appropriate, and never with a price goal or with the idea of trying to make a few points and selling. I do, of course, eventually exit. Sometimes it’s after months, and sometimes after years, but I’m talking about what my intention is when I buy.

I do sometimes take a tiny position in a company to put it on my radar and get me to learn more about it. I’m not trying to trade it and make money on it, I’m just trying to decide if I want to keep it long term. If I do try out a stock in a small position and later decide that it’s not what I want, I sell it without hesitation, and I really don’t care whether I gain a dollar or lose one. I just sell out to put the money somewhere better. If I decide to keep it, I add to my position and build it into a regular position.

You should never try to just follow what I’m doing without making up your own mind about a stock. In these monthly summaries I’m giving you a static picture of where I am currently, but I may change my mind about a position during the month. In fact, I not infrequently do, and I make changes in the position. I usually don’t announce these changes until the end of the month, and if I’m busy or have some personal emergency I might not announce them even then. And besides, I sometimes make mistakes, even big ones! Don’t just follow me blindly! I’m an old guy and won’t be around forever. The key is to learn how to do this for yourself.

THE KNOWLEDGEBASE
Since I began in 1989, my entire portfolio has grown enormously.
If you are new to the board and want to find out how I did it, and how you can try to do it yourself, I’d suggest you read the Knowledgebase, which is a compilation of words of wisdom, and definitely worth reading (a couple of times) if you haven’t yet.
A link to the Knowledgebase is at the top of the Announcements panel that is on the right side of every page on this board.

For some additions to the Knowledgebase, bringing it up to date, I’d advise reading several other posts linked to on the panel, especially:

How I Pick a Company to Invest In,
Why My Investing Criteria Have Changed,
Why It Really is Different.

I hope this has been helpful.

Saul

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I received the following question off-board:

Hey Saul!
Thanks for everything!
Your 9th stock is ZOOM
Stock symbol ZM or ZOOM?

It’s ZM, of course. The company with the ZOOM ticker is a little penny stock, and not related in any way.
Saul

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Great review this month, Saul!

Regarding Zoom, I’m curious what catalyst(s) you think could cause the stock to appreciate. E.g. How fast would revenue have to grow to surprise to the upside?

Thanks!

Bear

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Saul,
I love you!

*(like a brother)

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Great review this month, Saul! - Regarding Zoom, I’m curious what catalyst(s) you think could cause the stock to appreciate. E.g. How fast would revenue have to grow to surprise to the upside?

Hi Bear, Here’s what I wrote in my April summary (when I thought Zoom was too overvalued):

But look, I may turn out to be completely wrong about this one too. Or I may change my mind and take a tiny trial position. Who knows? And yes, I know that barring catastrophe, Zoom will be selling higher a year from now than it is now. But if its revenue is up 95% a year from now, and guiding to 75% the year after, its stock price won’t be up 95%, mostly because that 41 times EV/S will drop to 20 or 25 times, but also because of stock dilution. My “realistic guess” estimate would be up 45% a year from now to about $96, which certainly is not chicken feed.
Saul

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Saul,
I love you!
*(like a brother)

Thanks to MoneySlob for his affection. :grinning:

And I also wanted to thank an anonymous writer who contacted me off board and wrote the following. It’s the kind of note that makes me feel it’s all worthwhile in spite of all the work involved.
Saul

I hardly ever post, because my style of writing (and probably thinking as well!) is not appropriate for your board. But I do want to thank you for doing such a great job, and for doing it in a way that clearly is intended to help others. I admire that very much.

Also, as a separate but important matter, you are doing a great job of keeping the board focused and productive. I know your methods of doing this occasionally ruffle feathers, but they are working, and in truth your success at keeping the board on track is probably even more impressive than your success as an investor. All one has to do is look at the other free MF boards, or Seeking Alpha comments, to see the almost preordained fate of internet exchanges – except for here. So – well done, and thank you!

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But if its revenue is up 95% a year from now, and guiding to 75% the year after, its stock price won’t be up 95%, mostly because that 41 times EV/S will drop to 20 or 25 times, but also because of stock dilution. My “realistic guess” estimate would be up 45% a year from now to about $96, which certainly is not chicken feed.

Don’t forget to factor in the likely dilution you brought up here: https://discussion.fool.com/zm-the-dilution-34186628.aspx

Bear

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Thanks thought as much just needed confirmation as I should have said

Saul:

Thank you!

What you do is simply awesome: an over used word in our world but in your case its much more than appropriately accurate. And its not just what you do - its what you teach. From experience - gleaned from your regimen - I know that the detail and analysis you put into your monthly reports takes an extraordinary amount of time. Moreover - its not just what you report, that in and of itself has become and invaluable tool for the majority on this board. But its also what you teach in your explanations, reasoning, and logic that seems so very simple when you read it - but so very hard to emulate in trying to put it into action independently.

I know it sounds rather maudlin but the truth of the matter is that you are among the low percentage of people we meet during our journey through this world that makes a difference in lives. On my profile I mention - only half jokingly - that the person I would like to meet most is the Fools Marketing Director; however, I may change that to simply: Saul

All the Best!

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Hi Saul,

Thanks for the great write-up!

I’m also surprised you added Zoom. They have an EV/S (trailing) approaching 60. Let’s say they will double revenue in 2020 which brings the forward EV/S to 30 (without considering – possibly substantial – dilution). That’s still super rich, no matter how you look at it. I remember when we were talking about trailing EV/S’s of 20 as being a bit crazy just a year ago. Now it almost seems cheap. Could this really be true? I’m a bit skeptical.

You can’t argue with their great numbers, though. Many people seem very excited about this story (duh, of course, hence the rich valuation). For example, Chamath Palihapitiya commented on CNBC (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z31s7La_QRI) that among enterprise IT stocks – which he is not excited about at all, by the way – he thinks Zoom and Slack are the best investment opportunities, largely because he thinks these services basically sell themselves without having to invest too much into S&M. This should help them scale faster and make them very profitable down the road. He is critical about that happening in other enterprise IT stocks where a substantial amount of S&M-dollars are spent to maintain high growth. Be that as it may, I personally don’t feel comfortable investing in Zoom right now. Will keep them on the radar, though.

Another topic: For some time now I’m playing with the thought of adding a bit to my SQ position which is just under 4% at the moment. I think they got punished way too much from the market over some minor distractions. They also seem attractive from a valuation standpoint compared to many other stocks discussed here. I like their growth outlook a lot still, they have such a tremendous opportunity (especially internationally which is basically untapped yet), they have been executing wonderfully up until now, and they also seem to have lots of optionality. I felt a bit uncomfortable buying on such relative weakness, though – maybe the market knows something I don’t? I think Bear reentered SQ recently. Have you considered making your position bigger again, Saul? If I remember correctly, they used to be 10-15% in the past.

Best wishes
Niki

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Saul:

You may have covered that somewhere but how do you manage the periods when you do not get extraordinary returns like 50% plus per year? In these past few years the SaaS investments have been performing very well. It looks like it will continue for a while but who knows? I guess your approach is to watch it closely and see where it leads you. No prognostic. No timing the market. Just buying the ‘stocks that goes up and stay in if they continue to do so’. Good.
Inevitably, there will be sector and/or market downturns. Yes I heard that because the growth of your stocks has been so high prior to such event, you’ve build a margin of error. However that margin can evaporate fast especially for the stocks you are talking about. How do you view this?

What do you do when that occurs? How do you ascertain that your actions will protect the value of your portfolio and ideally position it to spring back up when the general market turns back up?

tj

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I’m also surprised you added Zoom. They have an EV/S (trailing) approaching 60. Let’s say they will double revenue in 2020 which brings the forward EV/S to 30 (without considering – possibly substantial – dilution). That’s still super rich, no matter how you look at it. I remember when we were talking about trailing EV/S’s of 20 as being a bit crazy just a year ago. Now it almost seems cheap. Could this really be true? I’m a bit skeptical.

You can’t argue with their great numbers, though. Many people seem very excited about this story (duh, of course, hence the rich valuation). For example, Palihapitiya commented on CNBC that among enterprise IT stocks… he thinks Zoom and Slack are the best investment opportunities, largely because he thinks these services basically sell themselves without having to invest too much into S&M…

Hi Niki, I’m also wondering about how much their IPO, and all the hullabaloo around it, will make them even grow faster. For instance, even I, who am quite happy with FaceTime and Skype, thought about getting Zoom on my computer, just to try it out and see what all the excitement is about. I imagine many others felt the same way, including people high in enterprises.

For some time now I’m playing with the thought of adding a bit to my SQ position which is just under 4% at the moment. I think they got punished way too much from the market over some minor distractions. They also seem attractive from a valuation standpoint compared to many other stocks discussed here. I like their growth outlook a lot still, they have such a tremendous opportunity (especially internationally which is basically untapped yet), they have been executing wonderfully up until now, and they also seem to have lots of optionality. I felt a bit uncomfortable buying on such relative weakness, though – maybe the market knows something I don’t? I think Bear reentered SQ recently. Have you considered making your position bigger again, Saul? If I remember correctly, they used to be 10-15% in the past.

Another good question. I had sold quite a bit at much higher prices, but there has been no degradation of performance, and when I saw that price target of $195 this morning, I said "What the heck! I only have a 3% position and I’m not risking much, so I raised it to 3.2% in the pre-market.

Best,

Saul

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In my end of the month summary I commented how our “over-priced” stocks didn’t go down the past four weeks with the threat of economic turmoil and a possible turndown of the economy, even though all five indexes were down significant amounts (6.1 points on average). The same thing happened in 2018 where all the indexes were down an average of 8.5%, and most of us finished up 40% to 80%. There is a reason:

Think about it! In an economic recession, by definition, the conventional companies that make up the averages will see their revenue decrease! That’s what a recession means! However in a recession, our companies, with almost all their revenue recurring, and 130% net retention rates, may see revenue gains decrease, and may see net retention rates move from 130% to 110%, but revenue itself is very, very unlikely to decrease (I guess unless some very large customer goes out of business, which would take a very large recession, after all).

Best,

Saul

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Saul keeps bringing up market timing. For me, personally, this is a hard thing for me to not do. And in case people think its just Saul not being able to, consider this excellent article: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4265096-sentiment-speaks-to…

I myself panicked a bit in the last half of 2018, which I spoke about in my own monthly updates back then. I’m currently doing it a little bit even now, having trimmed some of my holdings and diversifying a bit (I’m getting back into REITs, slowly). I’ve told myself “I’m not panicking, I’m just taking down the risk because I’m so far above my target glide path”. This is just rationalizing, of course. I’m in the beginnings of a bit of panic again over macro trends and world news. Maybe one day I, too, will be able to keep these emotions at bay like many here are able to. :slight_smile:

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You may have covered that somewhere but how do you manage the periods when you do not get extraordinary returns like 50% plus per year? In these past few years the SaaS investments have been performing very well. It looks like it will continue for a while but who knows? I guess your approach is to watch it closely and see where it leads you. No prognostic. No timing the market. Just buying the ‘stocks that goes up and stay in if they continue to do so’. Good. Inevitably, there will be sector and/or market downturns. Yes I heard that because the growth of your stocks has been so high prior to such event, you’ve build a margin of error. However that margin can evaporate fast especially for the stocks you are talking about. How do you view this?

Hi tj,
Now, with the cushion I’ve built up in the past few years, I’d think I could weather a downturn okay. Did so in Oct to Dec last year, in fact. It would take a hell of a recession to take me back to where I was at the beginning of 2017. Also, if you look at my post #56111 you’ll understand why I feel that a recession might not affect our stocks as much as others.
Saul

PS - Glad to see a lot of worry out there. It probably means that the market has priced in a lot of bad news that may or may not arrive. In fact, remember that as of Friday, the “Market” was only up 2.2% in a year and five months(!) while I was up 144% in the same period of time. With today’d market drop of about 0.5-0.6%, the market is up even less, while my portfolio moved up to plus 146%. Our companies may not be as tied to the general market as you think, for the reasons I outlined in #56111.

Best,

Saul

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Hey Saul,
I know you hate this stuff, but you stated above that you are glad to see a lot of fear.

I agree. If I was seeing complacency I’d be worried.

I watch the Fear and Greed Index and use it as an indicator. Today it touched “extreme fear” which is good. The last time it was deep into extreme fear was in Nov./Dec. 2018, and into January this year.

TMB

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Now, with the cushion I’ve built up in the past few years, I’d think I could weather a downturn okay. Did so in Oct to Dec last year, in fact. It would take a hell of a recession to take me back to where I was at the beginning of 2017. Also, if you look at my post #56111 you’ll understand why I feel that a recession might not affect our stocks as much as others.

I keep going back to this, and I just can’t agree with it. If our stocks are valued so highly because of future revenue growth, as is stated over and over again on this board, then if growth slows valuation MUST come down, even if revenue itself is largely intact. These names are not valued based on current revenue, but on future revenue. Our stocks got hit hard late last year, but they bounced back very fast, and bounced back higher than the market did. Over a 9 month span they have done well. And maybe that is the best reason to not try to time the market, I don’t know. But I don’t think you can say, at all, that these stocks won’t get hurt hard in the short term if we hit a recession. I don’t see any way around that.

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Saul’s built up a bigger cushion than most. He is up 349% since the beginning of 2017. His holdings could fall in value by 77.8% in the next recession and he would not have lost any principal. If a crash like that, no doubt the S&P 500 would also have fallen precipitously. Would people who have just been holding the S&P index have their portfolio value fall below the value at the start of 2017? If the S&P falls 30%, which I think is reasonable if our stocks have fallen 77.8%, the S&P would be back at September 2015 levels. So in such a case, Saul is still beating the market.

Such a crash is an extreme scenario- in the realm of it could happen, but it probably won’t. That’s good for those of us who have not built up as big a cushion as Saul. If your investments have appreciated 50% this year and the last, and then next year they crash 80%, you’ve lost more than half of your principal.

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If our stocks are valued so highly because of future revenue growth, as is stated over and over again on this board, then if growth slows valuation MUST come down, even if revenue itself is largely intact.

it all depends on the expectations vs the actual results.

If a company is growing at 55%, and growth of 30-35% is baked into the stock price (e.g. via a p/s of 30x or otherwise) and the growth slows to 40-45%, then the valuation must not necessarily come down. The valuation could even go up if the company was expected to hold the 40%+ growth rate for several years going forward.

Of course, if growth suddenly dropped to 30% or less (or dropped to 40-45% and was expected to soon continue to slow below 30%), then yes, the valuation “must” come down in that situation barring other circumstances, but that is not that situation that most of us expect with the companies we are currently invested in

-mekong

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“The “too expensive” label comes from underestimating how a company can disrupt its industry, displace competitors, and grow over a relatively short time. Investors’ fears leave many on the sidelines, only to come in later and drive the stock up further as the writing on the wall becomes more apparent.” Motley Fool Rule Breakers

I think you need to change your investing mindset if you want to replicate Saul’s returns over the past few years.

  1. Saul is and has always been fully invested in stocks…I have never seen Saul post that he is 10-15% in cash waiting for the market to “correct”. By remaining fully invested, he has captured 100% of the upside, while others wait for the next “correction”. Saul is never afraid to add to his positions even after they have risen (TTD, MDB). Raise your hand if you are fully invested at this time?

  2. Saul only invests in his highest conviction stocks…This has probably been the greatest influence on my investing methodology…I have been following Motley Fool for 15+ years…My portfolio usually consisted of 20+ stocks…Yes, MF has helped me beat the market averages over that time…however, my concentrating my portfolio, my returns of the past 3 years have “crushed” the market averages…Like Saul, I don’t have time to hold “turn around companies” or those companies that aren’t growing rapidly, with huge gross margins, etc… You need to be ruthless with your cash allocations…If your highest convictions are in your top 10 stocks, why are you holding the bottom 20? How many long time Motley Fool Members are still holding fool favorite PRAA? (you get my point). It is lost opportunity costs…“Hope” and “Investing” should never go together in the same sentence. Hoping for a recovery…most turnaround stocks don’t turn…

  3. You need to EXCEPT and ACCEPT high volatility both on the upside and downside…If you only want the huge upside potential, with limited downside risks of a 30-40% stock decline, high growth stocks are not for you…that is the price of admission for great returns…

just some morning rambling thoughts…

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