This is why I have avoided Coreweave and Nebius (and any other aspiring neoclouds). If you get $50b of annual revenue at some point, but your annual expenses are $75b, you don’t really have a viable business.
I’ll use Corweave as example because it’s the furthest along (most scaled):
So we see that the cost of revenue is only about 26% of revenue. A 74% gross margin. Good start. And Sales and Marketing is tiny: awesome. Gen and admin is also very reasonable. What’s this “technology and infrastructure” that amounts to 55% of revenue? (Which was up 19% sequentially) Well, that’s largely made up of the depreciation @stonccs mentioned above. That’s only going to keep growing as they buy more and more Blackwells etc. Lastly what’s this 267m interest expense which is the main reason they’re losing a lot of money each quarter (even with now over $1b of quarterly revenue)? Well that’s just what they currently pay each quarter on the debt they’ve taken so far. And long term debt just increased 51% SEQUENTIALLY. So expect interest expense to go higher and higher.
So the point is, though their revenue is now ~$5b annually and will no doubt double and triple from here, they’re still losing money. Will that change when they get to $50b annually? I just don’t know.
I could be wrong, and these companies could reach some level where they eke out a tiny profit. But think about that. Applovin has around $5b of revenue and already has more profit than Coreweave might have at $50b revenue. Because Coreweave (and Nebius and all the other aspiring neoclouds) is a CAPITAL INTENSIVE business. I.e. Margins will not be what Applovin or any other asset light business is able to enjoy. Not even half. Maybe not even 10% of what a software business can have.
And not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but why are the hyperscalers (AMZN, GOOG, MSFT) partnering with these companies? MSFT is actually Coreweave’s largest customer in addition to the Nebius deal that sparked this thread. My thought is that, these companies burn money building out capital so that the hyperscalers don’t have to spend EVEN MORE CAPEX than they already are. Billions of revenue for NVDA (who also partners with Coreweave and Nebius), and less capex for the hyperscalers. Everybody wins? Except Coreweave/Nebius investors??
Again, I could be wrong, and this could just be the early days of gigantic businesses scaling. The “who wins” question many of you have discussed here is still open. Hard to see Coreweave and Nebius and Iren and Terawulf and whoever else ALL becoming $50b or $100b revenue companies. Will there be 10 of these? 100?
All this to say, there are just too many questions.
Just my take, feel free to have your own!
Bear
