NVDA Q319

Nvidia (NVDA)
Price $164.43

11/16/2017: Price $164.43: PE ratio was 21.41

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2Q:2019 Notes:

Revenue this quarter was up 21% this has cut Revenue growth in half and I think it is important that we all understand this. Was this because people found a better video card? I don’t think so. Was it because their data center business was disrupted by another competitor. Not a chance. So why did their Revenue growth slip down from the 40% range to the 21% range? Well I think the transcript explains it all. Here is what Colette Kress had to say.

However, gaming was short of expectations as post crypto channel inventory took longer than expected to sell through. Gaming card prices, which were elevated following the sharp crypto falloff, took longer than expected to normalize

Pascal is well positioned as the GPU of choice in the midrange for the holidays, and we expect to work down channel inventories over the next quarter or 2

Ok so here is the problem. Their middle of the road video cards didn’t sell. They thought, I thought, that the crypto cards couldn’t hurt their sales. I thought no one would want to buy a used card that was used to run a crypto farm. But I forgot about how I felt about getting a bargain when I was younger. It really never worked out when I bought the product that had been used and returned, I never was satisfied with the product so eventually I had to go out and buy the better product, beating myself over the head for buying the cheap product and now spending 1.5 times for the better product. Also, I never thought that anyone would go out and buy AMD graphic cards but if you get them cheap enough I guess anyone will buy them, but really how long are the gamers going to want to use these cards? Here is what Huang had to say.

I think the channel has more than 12 weeks of inventory between us and the other brand. One of the things that is hard to estimate is how much inventory the other brands have. And our quarter is 1 month later. And so whatever action we take, whatever we see in the channel is 1 month after their end of the quarter. The amount of inventory is not just us. It’s also the other brands. And our ability to see the other brand’s inventory is just much harder. We try our best to estimate it, but obviously, we didn’t estimate it well enough. And so the answer to your question is yes, I think there’s about – from our perspective, about 12 weeks of our inventory to sell through at this point.

So the other brands are AMD. They just couldn’t see how much inventory AMD had and what they would sell it for. They need to sell through that inventory in the middle of the market to get back to normal. Now we know next quarter is shot, and it could even go into Q12019.

What is NVDA going to do? Well in their conference call,

And as we looked out into this quarter, this coming quarter, we came to the conclusion that the best thing to do is just not to ship any more products into this segment of the marketplace because there’s a fair amount of inventory and let the channel sell through the midrange Pascals. And then a quarter’s time, we’ll get back to business.

So now we know next quarter will not be good either.

Bright side: So that is the dark side for the Video card segment, what could be the bright side? I think ray tracing with the turing card will be their next catalyst. Battleground 5 has already came out supporting it and I am sure all the gamers will want this card, that AMD does not have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzaGI78NtkE

It doesn’t look like much because it is just for shadows but it makes everything look more realistic.

Huang stated on the conference call that their high-end Pascal GPU’s are largely sold before they ramped up the high-end Turing products.

The other growth area was the Data Center market. It went down from 83% growth to
58% growth. I do not think this is a trend but are customers waiting on the new chip that just came out. They just launched the Turing T4 Cloud GPU during the quarter. Here is what Colette Kress had to say:

Demand remains strong for both the architecture products, including Tesla V100 and VGX systems, and our inference business continued to grow, benefiting from the launch of the Turing T4 Cloud GPU during the quarter. Just 2 months after its launch, the T4 has received the fastest adoption of any server GPU. It is integrated into 57 server designs and it is already on the Google Cloud Platform, its first cloud availability. The T4 delivers world record performance for deep learning inference and accelerates diverse cloud workloads, including high-performance computing, deep learning training and inference, machine learning, data analytics and graphics.

They also came out with an updated TensorRT software stack and TensorRT Hyperscale Platform. This is for the NVDA inference platform and enables multiple models and multiple frameworks to run on the same GPU at the same time. Second it intergrates with Kubernetes. This new T4 GPU is 12x the peak inference performance than the old T4 and this new platform is 40x faster than CPU’s. With this they hope to take the data center inference market.

They also launched a new NVDA RTX Server reference architecture. It has 8 Turing-based RTX 8000 and it is for photoreal rendering and computer-generated images. This is for the professional visualization market. This is what she had to say about it.

Yet prior to Turing and its ray-tracing capabilities, GPUs were not able to address this workload. So most rendering at – up to this point has been done on CPUs. An RTX-accelerated render farm compared with an equivalent performance of CPU render farm is 1/4 the cost, 1/10 the space and 1/11 the power. NVIDIA’s RTX platform has garnered major industry support, including from key developers such as Adobe, ANSYS, Autodesk, Dassault and many others.

Also, NVDA came up with a GPU acceleration platform for data science and machine learning called RAPIDS, which lets companies analyze massive amounts of data and make accurate business predictions at unprecedented speed. Up to now this was all done by CPU’s and this system is 50 times faster. This is for the OEM&IP market. This is what Colette had to say.

The RAPIDS launch opens up a $20 billion server market used for data analytics and machine learning workloads to GPUs, and it’s received broad industry support, including from Oracle, IBM, SAP, Dell EMC, Hewlett Packard Enterprise, Microsoft Azure machine learning, Google, Q-Flow as well as the open source community.

Finally, in their Automotive sector they announced that Volvo Cars selected Nvidia’s Drive AGX Xavier next-generation which will be released in early 2020 and will deliver Level 2+ assisted driving.

Conclusion: The Gaming Revenue into next quarter will be down 30% plus. An Analyst on the conference call asked that question and Colette confirmed it. This surprised the whole NVDA team and it surprised a lot of people. The chips coming out of crypto really had an affect on NVDA. The glut on the market hurt all of the companies that were in the market. I think the one valid criticism of Huang would be that sometime in the quarter he must have seen what was happening and didn’t put out a press release. Here is AMD’s CEO on CNBC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XLhPSJJsn8

I do think that the Data Center market was light but I think that will come back strong next quarter with the release of their new Turing product.

The professional visualization market will keep growing and their new product should take market share but it isn’t going to be a big growth product.

The automotive product should start growing stronger but it still will not be a lot of their revenue.

I think the new product that they introduced for data science and machine learning (RAPIDS) could be a big growth market and eventually be broken out.

Overall this was a really weak quarter that NVDA had no chance of seeing because they couldn’t estimate the glut in the gaming market. The crypto market was a bigger overhang than anyone thought and it caught all the major players by surprise, although their were a number of shorts that had it right. I am keeping all my shares and not adding at this time but hopefully there will be a bigger pull back so I can buy more, I predict this company in 3 years will be a double from this point. Here are some numbers.


 In Millions    Q417   Q118   Q218   Q318   Q418   Q119   Q219    Q319 
Gaming          1348   1030   1186   1561   1736   1720   1800    1764
Prof. Vis        225    205    235    239    255    251    281     305
Data Center      296    409    416    501    606    701    760     792
Auto             128    140    242    144     32    145    161     172
OEM&IP           176    224    251    191    111    390    121     148
Total:          2173   2008   2330   2636   2740   3207   3123    3181

Andy

Current numbers:

11/15, 2018 3Q:2019 earnings highlights:
** Revenue was $3.181 billion up 21% from $2.636 billion
** TTM revenue was $12.42 billion or $19.87 per share
** Earnings were $1.97 up from $1.33
** TTM earnings were $7.68 per share
** Diluted share count 625 million
** Cash $7.591 billion: debt $1.990 billion
** Cash flow for nine months was $2.448 billion up from $1.967 million
** Cash flow for the quarter was $337 million down from $1,088 million
** TTM cash flow was $3.390 billion or $5.424 per share
** Trading range between August 17, 2018 and November 16, 2018 was $161.61 to $292.76 : PE ratio range was 21.04 to 38.11: PS ratio range was 8.13 to 14.73: Cash flow yield range was 3.4% to 1.9%
** Special note: The stock price fell $37.96 the day after the report to close at $164.43

Historic numbers:

February 17, 2016 4Q:2016 earnings’ highlights:
** 4Q revenue was $1.401 billion up from $1.251 billion
** Fiscal 2016 revenue was $5.01 billion up from $4.682 billion
** TTM revenue per share was $8.45 per share
** 4Q earnings were $0.35 compared to $0.35
** Fiscal 2016 earnings were $1.08 down from $1.12
** Diluted share count 593 million
** Cash $5.037 billion: debt $1.413 billion
** Cash flow for the year was $1.089 billion or $1.84 per share
** Stock based compensation for the year was $204 million up from $1.58 million
** Trading range between February 17, 2016 and May 12, 2016 was $29.30 to $37.15: PE ratio range was 27.13 to 34.40: PS ratio range was 3.47 to 4.40: Cash flow yield range was 4.95% to 6.3%
** Special Note: The stock price rose $2.38 the day after the report to close at $30.44 on February 18, 2016

May 12, 2016 1Q:2017 earnings’ highlights:
** Revenue was $1.305 billion up from $1.151 billion
** TTM revenue was $5.164 billion or $8.65 per share
** TTM revenue per share was $8.65 per share
** Earnings were $0.33 up from $0.24
** TTM earnings were $1.17 per share
** Diluted share count 597 million
** Cash flow for the quarter was $254 million up from $216 million
** TTM cash flow was $1.127 billion or $1.89 per share
** Cash $4.753 billion: debt $1.421 billion
** Trading range between May 12, 2016 and August 11, 2016 was $38.68 to $59.61: PE ratio range was 33.05 to $50.95: PS ratio range was 4.47 to 6.89: Cash flow yield range was 3.2% to 4.9%
** Special Note: The stock price rose $5.41 the day after the report to close at $40.98 on May 13, 2016

August 11, 2016 2Q:2017 earnings’ highlights;
** Revenue was $1.428 billion up from $1.153 billion
** TTM revenue was $5.439 billion or $10.19 per share
** Earnings were $0.40 up from $0.05
** TTM earnings were $1.52 per share
** Diluted share count was 534 million
** Cash flow for six months was $406 million up from $355 million
** TTM cash flow was $1.14 billion or $2.13 per share
** Cash was $4.879 billion: debt $1.428 billion
** Gross margins 57.9%
** Trading range between August 11, 2016 and November 10, 2016 was $57.10 to $72.67: PE ratio range was 37.57 to 47.81: PS ratio range was 5.60 to 7.13: Cash flow yield range was 2.9% to 3.7%
** Special Note: The stock price rose $3.34 the day after the report to close at $63.04 on August 12, 2016

November 10, 2016 3Q:2017 earnings’ highlights:
** Revenue was $2.004 billion up 53.3% from $1.305 billion
** TTM revenue was $6.138 billion or $9.40 per share
** Earnings were $0.83 up from $0.44
** TTM earnings were $1.91 per share
** Diluted share count 653 million
** Cash flow nine months was $826 million up from $593 million
** TTM cash flow was $1.322 billion or $2.03 per share
** Cash $6.671 billion: debt $1.982 billion
** Trading range between November 10, 2016 and February 9, 2017 was $78.20 to $120.64: PE ratio range was 40.94 to 63.16: PS ratio range was 8.32 to 12.83: Cash flow yield range was 1.68% to 2.6%
** Special Note: The stock price rose $20.20 the day after the report to close at $87.97 on November 11, 2016

February 9, 2017 4Q:2017 earnings’ highlights:
** 4Q revenue was $2.173 billion up 55.1% from $1.401 billion
** Fiscal 2017 revenue was $6.91 billion up from $5.01 billion
** TTM revenue per share was $10.47 per share
** 4Q earnings were $0.99 up from $0.35
** Fiscal 2017 earnings were $2.57 up from $1.08 per share
** Cash $6.798 billion: debt $2.81 billion
** Cash flow for the year was $1.496 billion or $2.27 per share?** Cash flow for the quarter was $670 million
** Stock based compensation for the year was $247 million up from $204 million
** Diluted share count was 660 million
** Trading range between February 9, 2017 and May 9, 2017 was $95.17 to $120.70: PE ratio range was 37.03 to 46.97: PS ratio range was 9.09 to 11.53: Cash flow yield range was 1.9% to 2.4%

May 9, 2017 1Q:2018 earnings’ highlights:
** Revenue was $1.937 billion up 48.4% from $1.305 billion
** TTM revenue was $7.542 billion or $11.76 per share
** Earnings were $0.79 up from $0.35
** TTM earnings were $3.01 per share
** Diluted share count 641 million
** Annual dividend $0.56 per share
** Cash $6.206 billion: debt $2.206 billion
** Cash flow for the quarter was $228 million down from $264 million
** TTM cash flow was $1.46 billion or $2.28 per share
** Gross margins 59.37%: Operating margins 28.6%
** Trading range between May 9, 2017 and August 10, 2017 was $114.02 to $174.56: PE ratio range was 37.88 to 57.99: PS ratio range was 9.7 to 14.84: Cash flow yield range was 1.3% to 2%
** Special Note: The stock price rose $18.35 the day after the report to close at $121.29 on May 10, 2017

August 10, 2017 2Q:2018 earnings’ highlights:?** Revenue was $2.23 billion up 56.16% from $1.428 billion
** TTM revenue was $8.344 billion or $13.18 per share
** Earnings were $0.92 up from $0.41
** TTM earnings were $3.52 per share
** Diluted share count 633 million
** Cash $5.877 billion: debt $2.068 billion
** Cash flow for six months was $879 million up from $432 million
** Cash flow for the quarter was $651 million up from $168 million
** TTM cash flow was $1.943 billion or $3.07 per share
** Trading range between August 10, 2017 and November 9, 2017 was $152.91 to $212.90: PE ratio range was 43.44 to 60.48: PS ratio range was 11.6 to 16.15: Cash flow yield range was 1.4% to 2%: Cash flow yield range was 1.4% to 2%
** Special Note: The stock price fell $8.78 the day after the report to close at $155.96 per share

November 9, 2017 3Q:2018 earnings’ highlights:
** Revenue was $2.636 billion up 31.5% from $2.004 billion
** TTM Revenue was $8.972 billion or $14.29 per share
** Earnings were $1.33 up 60.2% from $0.83
** TTM Earnings were $4.02
** Diluted share count 628 million
** Cash $6.32 billion: debt 0
** Cash flow for nine months was $1.967 billion up from $826 million
** Cash flow for the quarter was $1.088 billion up from $394 million
** TTM cash flow was $2.637 billion or $4.20 per share up from $2.03
** Trading range between November 9, 2017 and February 8, 2018 was $180.58 to $249.27: PE ratio range was 44.92 to 62: PS ratio range was 12.63 to 17.44: Cash flow yield range was 1.69% to 2.3%
** Special Note: The stock price rose $10.82 the day after the report to close at $215.99 on November 10, 2018

February 8, 2018 4Q:2018 earnings’ highlights:
** Revenue was $2.911 billion up 33.96% from $2.173 billion
** Fiscal 2018 revenue was $9.714 billion up from $6.91 billion
** TTM revenue per share was $15.47 per share
** 4Q earnings were $1.78 up from $0.99
** Fiscal 2018 was $4.82 per share up from $2.57 per share
** Diluted share count 628 million
** Cash $7.11 billion: debt $2 billion
** Cash flow for the year was $2.91 billion or $4.63 per share
** Cash flow the quarter was $943 million up from $670 million
** Stock based compensation was $391 million
** Trading range between February 8, 2018 and May 10, 2018 was $210.30 to $260.50: PE ratio range was 43.63 to 54.05: PS ratio range was 13.59 to 16.84: Cash flow yield range was 1.78% to 2.2%

May 10, 2018 1Q:2019 earnings’ highlights:
** Revenue was $3.21 billion up 65.7% from $1.937 billion
** TTM Revenue was $10.987 billion or $17.52 per share
** Earnings were $1.95 up from $0.79
** TTM earnings were $5.98 per share
** Diluted share count 627 million
** Cash flow for the quarter was $1.327 billion up from $228 million
** TTM cash flow was $4.01 billion or $6.39 per share
** Cash $7.3 billion: debt $2 billion
** Trading range between May 10, 2018 and August 16, 2018 was $235.01 to $269.20: PE ratio range was 39.30 to 39.30: PS ratio range was 13.41 to 15.37: Cash flow yield range was 2.4% to 2.7%

August 16, 2018 2Q:2019 earnings highlights:
** Revenue was $3.123 billion up 40% from $2.23 billion
** TTM revenue was $11.88 billion or $18.98 per share
** Earnings were $1.78 up from $0.92

  • TTM earnings were $6.84 per share
    ** Diluted share count 626 million
    ** Cash $7.943 billion: debt $2 billion
    ** Cash flow for six months was $2.1 billion up from $879 million
    ** Cash flow for the quarter was $773 million up from $651 million
    ** TTM cash flow was $4.131 billion or $6.60 per share
    ** Trading range between August 16, 2018 and October 31, 2018 was $176.01 (October 29, 2018) to $292.76 (October 2, 2018): PE ratio range was 25.73 to 42.80: PS ratio range was 9.27 to 15.43: Cash flow yield range was 2.3% to 3.8%
    ** Special note: The stock price fell $12.62 the day after the report to close at $244.82 on August 17, 2018
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Hi Andy,

great summary. My big concern on NVDA is the drop in datacenter growth. Some numbers:


Q                | Q1 17 |Q2 17  |Q3 17  |Q4 17   |Q1 18. |Q2 18. |Q3 18  |Q4 18  | Q1 19  | Q2 19 | Q3 19
-----------------|------ |-------|---=---|--------|-------|-------|-------|-------|--------|-------|-------
Gaming           |  687  |  781  |  1244 |  1348  |  1027 |  1186 |  1561 |  1739 | 1723   | 1805  | 1764
                 |       |  14%  |  59%  |  8%    |  -24% |  15%  |  32%  |  11%  | -1%    | 4.5%  | -2.3%
Prof vis         |  189  |  214  |  207  |  225   |  205  |  235  |  239  |  254  | 251    | 281   | 305
                 |       |  13%  |  -3%  |  9%    |  -9%  |  15%  |   2%  |  6%   | -1.2%  | 12%   | 8.5%
Datacenter       |  143  |  151  |  240  |  296   |  409  |  416  |  501  |  606  | 701    | 760   | 792
                         |  6%   |  59%  |  23%   |  38%  |  2%   |  20%  |  21%  | 15.7%  | 8.4%  | 4.2%
Automotive       |  113  |  119  |  127  |  128   |  140  |  142  |  144  |  132  | 145    | 161   | 172
                 |       |  5%   |  7%   |  1%    |  9%   |  1%   |  1%   |  -8%  | 9.8%   | 11%   | 6.8% 
OEM and IP       |  173  |  163  |  186  |  176   |  156  |  251  |  191  |  180  | 387    | 116   | 148
                 |       |  -6%  |  14%  |  -5%   |  -11% |  61%  |  -24% |  -6%  | 115%   | -70%  | 27.6%

Obviously still up a lot YOY, but the recent quarterly trend is pretty precipitous. Personally, my thesis for NVDA revolves around that datacenter growth, and the drop-off is enough to put me on the sidelines.

cheers
Greg

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My biggest concern going forward (I’ve never owned the stock but been tempted by it) would be that last quarter on their CC they said that inventory (Finished goods and channel) wasn’t a concern, but it turned out to have a massive negative impact. This whole collapse in the crypto business and the ramifications thereof seems to have taken them totally by surprise which is NOT a sign of wise fiscal and operational management.
If they’re this bad at forecasting their own business then I’d be steering well clear until heads rolled. Most of their growth is at least a year away apart from DC which as many have pointed out has slowed.
Plus, as Saul says, they’re a hardware company.
I can see many better places for my money in the meantime.
Cheers, PB.

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On the other hand, did anyone meaningfully predict the up and down of crypto?

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Hi Greg,

Obviously still up a lot YOY, but the recent quarterly trend is pretty precipitous. Personally, my thesis for NVDA revolves around that datacenter growth, and the drop-off is enough to put me on the sidelines.

I agree with you. The Datacenter growth is what had me the most excited also. When I first looked at NVDA it was growing really strong. But I do not think that thesis is broke, I just think it took a breather because of the new Turing chips coming in. We should know by next quarter whether that is true or not.

Now I am not really that excited about the automotive but it could lead to some great gains in the future but the new Rapids launch for Data analytics and machine learning really has me excited.

I can understand people dropping this and deciding to get out but I see to many good things coming so I will just hold on. Next quarter isn’t going to be good but then it should start picking up we will see.

Thanks for the response Greg and your views.

Andy

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Hi PB,

My biggest concern going forward (I’ve never owned the stock but been tempted by it) would be that last quarter on their CC they said that inventory (Finished goods and channel) wasn’t a concern, but it turned out to have a massive negative impact. This whole collapse in the crypto business and the ramifications thereof seems to have taken them totally by surprise which is NOT a sign of wise fiscal and operational management.

I agree with you but I am not sure how much blame Huang should get for this. He obviously didn’t think that AMD’s inventory would hurt him and He didn’t think the Crypto business would hurt his gaming business. He was wrong on both accounts. But I remember every time, as a gamer, I took advantage of discounts like this on computer parts, I ended up being unhappy with them and out looking for new parts within 6 months. So all this inventory should be blown out in 6 months at the most. The new Turing card might make gamers want to change faster when they finally see the ray tracing. Thanks for your thoughts.

Andy

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Of course, the problem with dropping and expecting to come back is that one has to develop the conviction to come back before the stock has already gained substantially or one is giving up those gains. To drop because one has lost confidence in the company overall is one thing, but dropping with the intention of coming back gets one into timing.

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Great, open, honest in depth analysis.
What leads you to the prediction of a double in 3 years, though?

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Also, NVDA came up with a GPU acceleration platform for data science and machine learning called RAPIDS, which lets companies analyze massive amounts of data and make accurate business predictions at unprecedented speed. Up to now this was all done by CPU’s and this system is 50 times faster. This is for the OEM&IP market. This is what Colette had to say.

The RAPIDS launch opens up a $20 billion server market used for data analytics and machine learning workloads to GPUs, and it’s received broad industry support, including from Oracle, IBM, SAP, Dell EMC, Hewlett Packard Enterprise, Microsoft Azure machine learning, Google, Q-Flow as well as the open source community.

Great point. Just reading over an article I got from ARK investments, they had this to say:

Nvidia’s RAPIDS framework brings the power of GPU acceleration to common machine learning and data analytics frameworks today. Unlike its foray into deep learning, where it created the market from scratch, Nvidia launched RAPIDS which taps into the large and growing market for analytics. With Moore’s Law grinding to a halt, we believe Nvidia’s move could not be more timely.

Isn’t this in our favorite Alteryx’s wheelhouse?

Dominic
Long AYX and NVDA

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Repost from NVDA board:

Thanks. That was a great post. You may be right. This could be a one quarter problem, and NVDA will probably get back on track. I think the $24,000 question is “Back to what?” No one outside and possibly inside NVDA seems to be able to accurately forecast NVDA’s chip business. Certainly, NVDA will be no worse than medoicre, but more likely a good to fabulous company in the future. The problem is there is no way to model anything.

Although I believe in holding companies as long as possible, I don’t believe in holding companies that have a high probability of short term pain and an unclear future. I realize that many Fools believe in holding through anything, which will probably work in this case. I will be hopping on the sidelines and watching. I might re-enter after a quarter or two. Although market timing does not work, avoiding a period of pain for an individual stock often does. I share everyone’s pain. Best of luck to longs.

bulwnkl

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What leads you to the prediction of a double in 3 years, though?

Hi FlyingCircus,
That is a great question and one that everyone needs to think through. I always take predictions with a grain of salt because nobody is really good predicting the future out for any amount of time but here are my thoughts and in 3 years we will see if I am right. I will keep this post on my NVDA writeups to measure NVDA against.

NVDA is sitting at $164.43 and it’s marketcap is $99.973B. It’s P/S is 8.42 and it’s P/E is 23.97.

Right now they are growing at 21% and this was a terrible quarter, In order for them to double in 3 years they have to have a Compound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR) of 25.9%. So for my prediction they have to grow 4.9% faster than last quarter. They have been growing the revenue reliably since the Q217 quarter at 24% and then accelerating. Let me show you the Revenue Growth numbers.


Q117    Q217    Q317    Q417    Q118    Q218    Q318    Q418    Q119    Q219    Q319
13.04%  24.35%  53.85%  55%     49.23%  55.94%  32%     34.10%  65.46%  39.91%  20.45%

Now this is backward looking but in 2017 they had an average cagr of 36.5%. In 2018 they had an average Cagr of 42.82% and in 2019 I am going to give Q419 a growth rate of 20% so the average growth rate for 2019 will be 36.75%. After the Q419 quarter I expect them to start accelerating because the gaming inventory glut will have been worked through. The new Turing card with ray tracing will be the gaming card everyone will want, because more games will support it.

They have the new Turing card for the Data center’s which should start growing because in their conference call they claimed the Turing T4 cloud GPU has received the fastest GPU adoption of any server GPU. They also announced an upgrade on their TensorRT stack which will allow multiple models and frameworks to be run.

They launched a new NVDA RTX server for the Professional Visual team which will take market share from the dominating CPU server business. This will be a small increase that shouldn’t be looked on as a huge business.

They launched Rapids, which is for data science and machine learning. I think this will be a bigger (trying not to be to excited) revenue increase and is a new business they are going into.

Finally, automotive is starting to ramp up with their new level 2 system which over the next 3 years should be growing to probably a level 3 system and maybe a level 4 system.

So flying circus that is why I think they can double in 3 years, and also I can’t even imagine what other business’s they will find for the use of their chips. I think everyone has to remember one thing. In the Gaming business it was the middle of the road Graphic chip that is having problems due to over supply and cost conscious gamers. The Upper high-end chips did fine. Also, with the Data Centers, and why they were light. They had a new chip coming out and I think it just took a breather. If anyone thinks AMD is taking market away from NVDA on the High end market I would like to hear their thoughts. But with the new Turing card, and NVDA providing that card to the middle market probably by the end of this quarter, I think AMD will be hurting again in the gaming market.

Andy
If anyone has problems with my thoughts or with any of my math please speak up. Also I am not trying to convince anyone of staying or getting into this stocks, just enjoy the discussion of companies and stocks.

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Hi Bulwnkl,

Although I believe in holding companies as long as possible, I don’t believe in holding companies that have a high probability of short term pain and an unclear future. I realize that many Fools believe in holding through anything, which will probably work in this case. I will be hopping on the sidelines and watching. I might re-enter after a quarter or two. Although market timing does not work, avoiding a period of pain for an individual stock often does. I share everyone’s pain. Best of luck to longs.

I can’t fault you for doing this but I just see this company as a great company. The loss has already been taken and although next quarter will probably be flat to slightly up, I am not sure what the market will think about that but it could go down further. Normally I would probably move on also but I think this company will double in 3 years so I want to hold this company. Any company I can get a Cagr of 25% on YoY is something I just hold and tuck away. But don’t worry I will watch it for you and let you know when might be a great time to get back in :).

Andy
That is what these boards are for.

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Andy,

If anyone has problems with my thoughts or with any of my math please speak up.

My only problem is that you are using about 26% CAGR for the next three years (the necessary number for double in 3 years). They have been growing at 33% to 35%. If you visualize that 2018 just sucked revenue out of 2019 the result is 33 to 35. Use 33% CAGR and your double could come a quarter sooner.

KC

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Hi KC,

My only problem is that you are using about 26% CAGR for the next three years (the necessary number for double in 3 years). They have been growing at 33% to 35%. If you visualize that 2018 just sucked revenue out of 2019 the result is 33 to 35. Use 33% CAGR and your double could come a quarter sooner.

After listening to all these conference calls over the years I thought the game was to predict low and then when you beat the prediction you get a big up side in the price of the stock :slight_smile:

But in reality the future is still unknown and anything could happen to ruin my prediction. If we go into a recession I think I will be very happy to double in 3 years.

Andy

Andy,
Like you I continue to hold Nvidia. In May after the Q management told us that crypto was just a 10% business. Yet they had very high inventory (>>10%) at the end of each Q. Could crypto have been >10% of their business? This makes me wonder if gaming is really a $1.7B/Q business or something smaller say 1.4B/Q. One analyst asked that question, i.e. next Q your gaming will be about $1.1-1.2B, so will you start to grow from that base or not but management deflected. Other than that I believe DC, auto, visual will continue to grow and this company should have a double digit CAGR over the next 10y.

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A short article specified that CEO Huang had recently sold $40 million worth of shares. Perhaps he did. However, on the insider roster on Yahoo, his last sale was at $166 for around $3 million. He has automatically been selling, periodically, all the way up, with “small” amounts such as that.

I did not see this great insider selling by Mr. Huang that a short article focused on as an aspect to aggravate the recently issues. Perhaps someone else has found it. It would need to be a large insider sale within that last 3 months, subsequent to the previous earnings call just prior to the one a few days ago.

I still think it seems difficult to believe (albeit, not impossible) that a $700 million miss ($29 million - relatively small, and happens from time to time) was in the data center, but the rest (and actually more as there was upside to other areas, was all in gaming.

True to form Nvidia did very well in the high end again with the new Turing chips, and this should only improve as more games come out, and in particular in 2020 when the next upgrade comes out to fully cement the new architecture.

I do not necessarily think that AMD was taking more market share and commoditizing the market. More likely that NVIDIA GPUs (I have the 1070, which is the minimum necessary to operate my VR system, and it was something like $500 less than moving up to the 1080 in regard to a Dell gaming desktop). That was not an insignificant difference, and for me the 1070 was find. Crypto miners were probably selling a lot of Nvidia chips as well.

The issue with Turing, if I understand it correctly, is the chip is clearly more powerful, but if one incorporates ray tracing in the software the FPS does not increase all that much. Which of course makes sense as ray tracing takes an incredible amount of computation, and has never before been enabled on a gaming desktop before because it is so computationally difficult to do. Nvidia has done it with a combination of hardware and software, including AI to literally think ahead to take some of the computational requirements off the chip.

Thus, from a consumer perspective, you need to start seeing the new games to show the clear advantages of using ray tracing in order to pay the premium. And to date the new high end Turing chips have quickly sold out. But apparently not at great enough volume to offset the mess that otherwise exists and it is remarkable that Nvidia had so little insight in regard…practically malpractice.

But I will get off that issue. Just wanted to get into this insider selling thing as it besmirches Mr. Huang if he suddenly made a much larger insider sale in the $40 million plus range at just the time the business was, temporarily at least, falling off a cliff in gaming chips. I did not see any such sale in Yahoo! Does not mean it does not exist, but it is not there anyways.

Tinker

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A short article specified that CEO Huang had recently sold $40 million worth of shares. Perhaps he did. However, on the insider roster on Yahoo, his last sale was at $166 for around $3 million. He has automatically been selling, periodically, all the way up, with “small” amounts such as that.

Looks like about $11.2M sold between Sept. 19th and 21st (41,253 shares at an average price of $271.98):
http://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/CIK-0001045810/f606569d…

https://investor.nvidia.com/financial-info/sec-filings/defau…

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There goes any trust that Huang did not at least have a good idea of what was happening in the channel. Prior to this he had not regularly made large insider sales. Instead he made a few million here, a few million there, etc., in a systematic regular selling process.

Tinker

Mr Ferragu from New Street Research came on CNBC this morning and stated that Crypto gave NVDA an additional $9 million dollars of additional revenue in the last 4 quarters but that $450 million dollars of inventory was stuck in the distribution channel for Crypto and that is what NVDA is trying to expel from the channel.

Andy

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I think its hard to predict what growth rate NVDA can do, because we don’t know what the gaming growth rate was without Crypto, so we can’t use the past growth rate to predict. Management doesn’t know either.

At the 2nd Quarter conference call they said inventory was fine, they were not going to plan for the $100M of crypto sales going forward. Turns out the crypto sales were much higher than that and part of the gaming sales where going to crypto and they lower their forecast next Q by $700 M.

So now we have the growth rate going from 40%—>21%----> to -7% next quarter.

Here are the questions I’m asking myself on NVDA.

If management just missed their gaming center demand by $700 M last quarter, how confident can I be that they have the inventory problem solved at the end of this quarter and it won’t carry forward?

Data center demand missed forecasts. Is that caused by crypto also?

What is the real growth rate for gaming, and the company, without crypto?

When is the auto business going to kick in and become another growth driver?

I can’t answer any of the questions above, so I can’t determine how likely it is that they grow 25%+ going forward.

NVDA is clearly a great company, with a management team that has been great in the past but just stubbed their toe pretty bad.

Jim

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