OT? Anti-cancer vaccine

A cancer-killing virus was injected into a human for the first time in new clinical trial. This novel therapy involves using an oncolytic virus, a type of virus that can infect and kill cancer cells without harming healthy tissue. It’s called Vaxinia and is based on a genetically modified smallpox virus.

The virus is designed to recognize special proteins on the surface of cancer cells that normal cells don’t have. The virus bursts open the cancer cell. Then the normal immune system recognizes the foreign tumor proteins and starts killing other cancer cells, including metastases scattered around the body.

Once the immune system is alerted, it would attack new metastases when hidden cancer cells awaken. Dormant hidden cancer cells are a serious problem in breast cancer because they can wake up many years after the original cancer was apparently successfully treated. A woman in my breast cancer support group had a recurrence 17 years after her original treatment and died within a year.

Previous studies have shown that Vaxinia is effective against cell culture and animal models of breast, colorectal, pancreatic, ovarian, and lung cancers. During the Phase 1 clinical trial, researchers will test the safety and tolerability of Vaxinia in cancer patients by injecting the virus directly into the blood or the tumor.

The Phase 1 trial will include about 100 cancer patients with metastatic or advanced solid tumors who have previously received at least two standard cancer treatments. Phase 1 trials focus on safety. Phase 2 and 3 trials focus on efficacy and dosage.

This was a Phase 1 clinical trial so it will be a long time before it’s ready for use in regular patients…if it actually works. But it’s a great new idea and could be a fantastic game changer. If it works, I would want to get Vaxinia at the first sign of cancer (after removal of the solid tumor) in preference to chemotherapy. The trial is on Stage 4 patients who have run out of standard chemo options but I don’t see any point in waiting if it actually works.

Vaxinia could potentially have Macroeconomic impact, since the lifetime risk of cancer in the population is 40% and the chemo treatments are incredibly expensive. (Not to mention horribly debilitating for the patient.)

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/understanding/statistics…

If Vaxinia actually works, I would jump for joy! But shareholders in companies that sell highly-profitable chemo drugs would need to re-evaluate the stock price.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/cancer-killing-vir…

Wendy

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Wendy,

I can one up you. smiling.

But right now I in and out today. I will leave you with a link to something astonishing.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cancer-trials-unexpected-result-r…

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If Vaxinia actually works, I would jump for joy! But shareholders in companies that sell highly-profitable chemo drugs would need to re-evaluate the stock price.

The Medical/Industrial Complex will do everything they can do to discredit the developers of Vaxinia. Just like what happened to the doctor who discovered that a cheap antibiotic could cure 30% of the people with peptic ulcers.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/the-doctor-who-drank…

Marshall won the 2005 Nobel Prize in Medicine.

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A cancer-killing virus was injected into a human for the first time in new clinical trial.

I can’t wait for it to work.

And then see what the anti-vax people do.

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Dear goofy,

They injection is an injection of a virus, not a vaccine. One would have to be an anti-viruser, not an anti-vaxer.

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The Medical/Industrial Complex will do everything they can do to discredit the developers of Vaxinia.

Or they’ll just send Kurtwood Smith…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG8RksCfxcw

Albaby

It’s their choice, just like the Covid vaccine. Less harmful to the public since cancer isn’t contagious.

Wendy

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The article about Vaxinia mentions that the oncologists are planning to use it together with a checkpoint inhibitor, which is the technology that cured the patients in your artice. A one-two punch for the cancer. Wouldn’t that be great? This is real progress. :slight_smile:

Wendy

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The description sounds more like a treatment than a vaccine ( regardless of its name- Vaxinia)

Nevertheless- good news.

The description sounds more like a treatment than a vaccine ( regardless of its name- Vaxinia)

A $100,000 treatment that you have to take indefinitely is something that Big Pharma can support. A $200 Vaccine is a business killer.

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We have had the anti whatever medical crowd long before Covid.

Those folks do all sorts of things for decades now like not go to doctors and doctor shop for a crappy doctor they can agree with.

Very powerfully minded people. Doctors must respect the intellect, sarcasm.

The meme of the middle aged guy at his computer and his wife walking out of the room, “honey come here, I just found what none of the scientists or doctor ever thought of”.

It’s a vaccine because its function is to stimulate the immune system against cancer cells which carry unique proteins. The immune system then does the heavy lifting of finding and killing cancer cells.

Wendy

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How is a vaccine not a treatment?

News to me.

prophylactic vs reactive

Leap1 asks,

How is a vaccine not a treatment?

The US pharmaceutical industry is founded on $10,000/month therapies that merely “manage symptoms” and must be taken forever. A $20 vaccine that cures a disease is a “business killer.”

Pfizer’s hope is that COVID moves to a stage where they’re charging $200-$300 per dose of vaccine and you need a new one every 3 or 4 months.

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Just like what happened to the doctor who discovered that a cheap antibiotic could cure 30% of people with peptic ulcers

Well, if this vaccine and its developers received the same scientific scrutiny that the team identifying h. pylori did, that’d be a good thing, surely. These preliminary results would either be reproducible, shown to be safe and effective and replace current available treatment (as happened with ulcer disease back in the 1980s)…or not. It’d happen very quickly too.

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One of the oldest vaccines in existence (1885 starring Louis Pasteur) was and is almost always given after infection.

david fb

prophylactic vs reactive

Still a treatment and often not a total prophylactic.

If I doctor prescribes it, then it is a treatment. Very broad term.

Vaccine is a broad term as well.