OT: IDF evidence so far falls well short of al-Shifa hospital being Hamas HQ

Israeli terrorists are creating more Palestinian terrorists with every baby, child, wife, woman, mother, grandmother and grandfather they kill, injure, starve to death.

So many UN and NGO aid people from many countries have been killed by Israelis . Israel is creating more antisemitism everyday. Israeli losses on are are minimal compared to Palestinian and other countries losses.

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Not when you are the civilian with a bomb coming at you or your family.

Israel probably had a little window of opportunity shortly after the attack by Hamas to do a bit of bombing to quickly reduce Hamas’ capabilities. After that, they need a much more targeted approach, putting civilian lives ahead of operational goals.

Done well, they might have even made a few friends among Gaza residents. I doubt if Hamas was all that well-liked by ordinary civilians.

But what they have done is created 2 million enemies of Israel living in a small area on their southern border. Even if they succeed at killing every significant Hamas leader and many lower level members, they will still have a nation of blood enemies to deal with for decades to come.

Like Goofy, I don’t know where to go from here, but it’s not hard to see the errors made. My guess is the first step would be to stop making the same mistakes. Unfortunately, that doesn’t seem to be in the cards. As a US citizen, the only thing I can suggest is to stop selling arms to Israel. They have gone past defending themselves to a full out war with all Gazans.

When your friend - your brother - is hurting themself by their own actions, you can’t continue enabling those actions. You might not be able to stop them, but you can at least make it harder to keep hurting themself.



Israel has negotiated several times. Hamas declared no two-state solution only war. You are not standing on any facts.

Did this go Netanyahu’s way? Yes, but he was only half of the forces involved. Hamas is still in it for a complete victory. Maybe Hamas leaders are slow?

Yes up in Lebanon which is where some of the exodus ends up. But that is one border instead of two. There is less of an excuse for attacking across that border. Israel can get tough again it is a suicide mission to aim across that border. The world won’t care what happens to anyone coming across the border.

Give the complaining Texans back to Mexico. Keep the land in the US.

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Wrong - you are standing on quicksand without any facts.

In 2005, Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip and dismantled its settlements as part of its disengagement plan. The plan was implemented without peace negotiations with the Palestinians. Read the following:

Israel’s plan of unilateral disengagement from the Gaza Strip and North Samaria put forward by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon was carried out on 15 August 2005. The purpose of the plan was to improve Israel’s security and international status in the absence of peace negotiations with the Palestinians.


Yes Israel moved heaven and earth to get 50k Israelis out of Gaza and leave it. Afterwards Hamas from 2007 declared war. There has been no negotiation since.

Blame whoever you like. People are reading you and considering the source.

Both are to blame. This needs to end. I do not care if there are no Palestinians in the territories. There are plenty of other lands in the Levant with Syrian tribesmen.

The absolute truth none of this is about Hindus, Christians, Jews, and Buddhists. There is a schism happening in Islam between the secular military world of Islam and the sectarian ultra-religious world of Islam. Most of the warring is only between the Muslims. Some of it spills over the rest of us across the globe. You can believe this is about Israel. It is not.

Iran blamed Israel the other day for the bombing. The ISIS took responsibility for it because this is all about that schism. The ultra-religious Muslims have deep divides among themselves to top it off.


The schism is interesting. American foreign policy has no good options. The secular military forces in the Muslim world are totally corrupted. The religious forces are totally uninterested in freedom and are bigoted through and through.

There is nothing to work with. We just want the oil. That is a separate matter.

We can blame whoever you need to blame but the schism is unresolved. The Muslim world needs to resolve that schism. It may take hundreds of years.

There is no real reason Muslims need to be at war with anyone. Not in India, not in the Middle East, not in Asia etc…etc…mostly there is no need for them to war among themselves. The leaders think there is a need for all of that warring, the scapegoating the blaming.

Like I said before, Israel did not want any peace negotiations after pulling out of Gaza in 2005. Hamas came along 2 years later in 2007. If Israelis had helped Gaza with peace negotiations in 2005, then there may never been a Hamas takover of Gaza.

You do not know that so why state it as fact?