OT: Movie review, "Odyssey"

The new movie, “The Odyssey,” directed by Christopher Nolan, is a cultural phenomenon that has been reviewed many times by people who usually don’t review movies. “The Odyssey” has grossed $911 million globally after just three weekends in theaters, positioning it to imminently cross the $1 billion milestone.

I saw it yesterday.

My impression is that the original story and characters were carefully modified to appeal to the broadest possible American (and international) audience.

There was no sex or more than soft G-rated romantic scenes. (Despite Homer’s poem describing Odysseus’ affairs with Calypso and Circe.) The movie is rated R for violence and a couple of “f-bombs” but adults who do not want to see sex scenes will attend the movie in the knowledge that they will not be offended. Parents will be able to rent the movie even with kids at home because the violence is no worse than many commercial TV shows.

The choice of Matt Damon, a nice-guy northern-European hero, was targeted at the American public who want to relate to their heroes racially and in their admirable character. The real Odysseus was a tough killer who prided himself on his clever ability to lie and trick - an anti-hero who would not appeal to American tastes. Obviously, he was Greek and would have had dark skin and hair. The choice reminded me of 1950s movies where non-white characters (e.g. Native Americans, Asians) were often played by white actors in dark makeup.

The plot was gratuitously changed in details which I don’t understand. In Homer’s “Odyssey,” Odysseus cleverly tells the Cyclops that his name is “No-man” to hide his identity, but after the ship escapes Odysseus tells the Cyclops his name out of pure hubris - a mistake which ends up killing the entire crew. None of this is in the movie but Odysseus gratuitously wounds the Cyclops after blinding him, which isn’t in Homer’s “Odyssey.”

One detail added to the movie that wasn’t in Homer’s “Odyssey” is the mention of Sea Peoples who are marauding along the coast. I picked up on this because I have a personal interest in the 1200 BCE Bronze Age crash which was followed by 500 years of dark ages. (I was never taught about this in school, but the destruction of a sophisticated, multinational trading collaboration among empires created the power vacuum in which the Kingdom of Judaea arose.) In fact, Homer’s “Odyssey” was a very long song/ poem that wasn’t written down until after the end of the long dark age. The Linear A script used by the Minoans (trading partners of the Greeks) was forgotten and can’t be translated to this day. So the comments by Odysseus in the movie are little hints of an impending crash that most people won’t notice.

The ending of the movie is totally at odds with the written character of Odysseus and the ending of Homer’s “Odyssey.” The real Odysseus would have been proud of the destruction of Troy and never regretted it. He would have ruled his kingdom proudly and not departed. The many comments about treating others as you want to be treated appeals to Christian audiences and was never an ancient Greek ethic.

For an ordinary audience, I would give this movie 5 stars for excitement, production values and perfect tuning to the audience. I’m sure it will become a classic movie and continue generating profits for decades to come. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone films “The Iliad” next, turning Achilles from a bisexual psycopath into an all-American nice guy. (Anyone remember the movie “Troy” with Brad Pitt playing the psychopathic bisexual Achilles as a sullen California surfer dude?)

For me, I would give it 3 stars because it was fun but I really wanted to see the genuine tough, brutal, clever Odysseus suffer agonies and ecstasies as he did in Homer’s “Odyssey.” Matt Damon is just too bland and too darn nice to be Odysseus. And I hate to see a great story changed - though the changes were subtle and obviously commercially motivated.

Wendy

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My review: meh.

But I have a friend who has seen it 4 times and went to an expensive opening night showing at the IMAX that is 4 hours from his home. He says it is the best movie he’s ever seen.

I don’t get it.

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Did you friend ever read the the accurately translated writing of Homer’s Odysseus?

Wendy,

You have a keen eye for the facts of Homer’s writings. The Greeks will be critical of the sugar coating of the movie. The writings of Homer are my very favaorite.

Jaak

A less forgiving reviewer said it was woke enough not to be locked out of awards. :smiling_face_with_horns:

The Captain

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IF I were to see it again, I’d bring earplugs to tone down the really excessively LOUD soundtrack! My ears rang long after the show was over! Pointlessly LOUD! On entering the theater, the ticket taker apologized for having ran out of earplugs, so the management had to know, and had been passing them out.. Not sure if my Apple AirPods could have maybe worked, but I didn’t have them with me… I was disappointed, and as noted, maybe a 2 or 3 rating, it had to have cost a lot to make, sad that the sound management was so badly handled, only concentrating on the visuals…

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@wecoguy I did bring earplugs due to my previous experience at movie theaters. The dynamic range of the Dolby sound system was very wide. I had to take out the earplugs and strain to understand the whispers. Then I had to put them back in when the sound was painfully loud.
Wendy

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The so-called “wokeness” that some people complained about consisted of inappropriately casting a couple of black (and trans, supposedly) people as Greeks. That didn’t bother me. What bothered me was casting white-bread Matt Damon in the central role which blanded down the entire movie. And casting an unattractive middle-aged woman as Circe who was supposed to be a sexy witch.

Wendy

And then there’s Helen, beautiful Helen. Too beautiful, actually. As Taylor Swift might say, “I knew you were trouble when you walked in.” Homer uses the adjective ainos, meaning dreadful.

He refers to her white skin, leukolenos (literally ‘white armed’ meaning noble and not having to work outside).

DB2

I don’t think so. But I know he likes action movies and probably appreciated it from that point of view.

Hmm, maybe that was the theater’s problem? When I saw it at our local theater (not IMAX), the sound was not excessive.

I’ve found that the AirPods in noise cancelling mode are pretty good at cutting out excessive noise.

The was our local iMax theater, so not THX or Dolby, just the actual 70mm film’s iMax system, definitely should have brought my AirPods, I know, now.. Looking at my iPhone after, there were peaks at 102 db, so I was surprised that my Apple Watch hadn’t triggered it’s LOUD alert, it has tripped once in a while when out walking, just from wind noise hitting it wrong.. But the chart did show a lot of 80+ db during the show, with the 102 being the peak… We were back up, Row G, so not out in the lower, closer seats… Looking again, I do see I did have a Noise Notification that day, maybe the 103db peak…

Over 100 is getting too loud.

I have a db meter on my phone and at concerts it often records over 100 db. And these days where most venues have excellent sound systems the problem is the audio engineers who seem to feel they have to make your ears bleed. Stage volume usually is not the problem, it’s the venue’s sound systems in the hands of (&$^%$* sound engineers.

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Charleston Heston in “A Touch of Evil” comes to mind. Heston portrayed a Mexican prosecutor. It bombing in US theaters. The European market loved it.

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Mrs Goofy hated it and walked out early. I didn’t go because… not my cuppa tea.

Plus I was traumatized in 9th grade having to read it. And I love to read.

My all time favorite in that “genre” is John Wayne playing Genghis Khan in “The Conqueror.” It is unintentionally campy with JW’s Texas drawl coming out of the Mongol warlord’s mouth. The somewhat high-toned dialogue is totally mismatched with the delivery. An accidental comedy (if you can get through the whole thing, that is).

Pete

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I’m looking forward to seeing this movie. I think Wendy is likely on target that Christopher Nolan wasn’t making a documentary about Homer or trying to make a movie with absolute fidelity to the original epic poem. He was making a film inspired by Homer for a modern audience.

For me, the highest goal of an adaptation is not necessarily a close fidelity to the original work, whatever that is, and that has also never really been true of great literature on film. Take, for example Shakespeare’s plays that are constantly rewritten, relocated, and reinterpreted; the Greek tragedies have been modernized for centuries; and even Homer’s own text is almost certainly the product of centuries of oral performances that changed with each generation.

One can dislike his interpretation, of course, without treating deviation itself as a defect. I can’t wait to see it now.

Pete

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When I get back from vacation, I will see it.

I will avoid the Imax. I do not like loud.

I get that, but Nolan has a tendency to cast actors in familiar roles. The Martian - Damon is cast as a stranded astronaut who battles through impossible conditions to survive and return to Earth. Interstellar - Damon is cast and a stranded astronaut who battles through impossible conditions to trick his saviors and return to Earth. The Odyssey - Damon is cast as a stranded hero who battles impossible conditions to return to his home. I’m not saying he was the best actor to cast in the role, but it was very much in line with Nolan’s history.

Samantha Morton…I’d hit it! Besides, I think Nolan cast her in the role because she’s a great actor who can anchor a pivotal turning point in the movie.

Nolan cares little about superficialities like sexiness and race in his casting decisions.

John Wayne as Ghengis Khan.

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