Back then it was probably mostly just football. But as the Varsity Blues scandal has shown the cancer has spread all over and includes professional SAT test takers, etc.
Mike
Back then it was probably mostly just football. But as the Varsity Blues scandal has shown the cancer has spread all over and includes professional SAT test takers, etc.
Mike
The irony was, while the university’s athletic department was carrying on like it was a football powerhouse full of NFL bound recruits, the reality was the football team was terrible, only winning one game one year, against other second rate colleges.
McDonald’s used to sponsor a high school graduate award program. The logo for the award had “scholar” in tiny print, and “athlete” in huge print.
The system has only gotten more corrupt since then. A football player at a Detroit high school was convicted of assault, twice, and did jail time. All the media nattered about was how the criminal convictions might impact his college football career.
Steve
Well, he did beat the most powerful military on the planet at the time with a ragtag group of fighters lacking military supplies and more.
Sure, his tactics were lacking (he turned retreating into an art form), but his leadership was superb, and that was enough to win the day.
And, he provided fodder for one of Lincoln’s funnier stories:
Ethan Allen returned to England after the war, and the British made fun of him. One day they put a picture of George Washington in an outhouse where Allen would be sure to see it. He used the outhouse but said nothing about the picture. Then the British asked him about it and Allen said it was a very appropriate place for an Englishman to hang the picture because “nothing will make an Englishman shat so quick as the sight of General Washington.”
AW
AW,
The revolution used the first industrial age great depression in England taking advantage of hard times. Just going into retreat tied up the Brits with endless costs shipping their men around for nada. Almost like us defending the moon distance wise if the Chinese were building a competing base next door to ours. Too much energy out.
The main thing Washington’s troops might have loved about him, he did not get them killed needlessly. That should be an American thing. No pride lost of living…and living well.
Mostly, it is not laziness or etc of individuals, but rather the increasingly idiotic, frightened (the milk carton children syndrome), demeaning (low low expectation except for athletics and sex), and depressing status rathat then merit orientation of our society.
Want to help a friend or familiar lose weight? Get them to hang out with skinny people. The change of social surround is often miraculous, but most cannot because their old set of sickly friends are too valuable to them.
david fb
Re: Diploma but can’t read.
We do hear stories of schools that water down requirement to boost their graduation numbers. That promote students to the next grade even though they didn’t have passing grades. The student is not traumatized by failure but does he/she get the help they need? May be doing them no favors.
Yes, the army learned in WWI that some are much easier to train as say radio operators than others. They were early adopters of apptitude testing.
When i was drafted, we sent a week in orientation gets shots, uniforms and doing those tests. They say the under scoring draftees often became truck drivers. Not the kind of person you want behind you with an M-16.
All volunteer army lets them more often require that diploma. But with many job openings out there recruiting must not be easy. So more likely to grant waivers to fill quotas.
Meanwhile, voluntary minimum standards, like Common Core, are demagogued as “big gummit interference”. Seems that ignorance is a national priority to some.
Steve
Steve,
People like their lies.
A big mistake was made when the Public Schools started deemphasizing Shop ( Trades ) classes, I hope they rethink that.
Spending all or most of their energy and focus on getting the students to learn enough to pass tests. There are “skill center” campuses that serve multiple counties, at least in the areas I’m familiar with, but back in the old days of the 60’s,70’s, and 80’s, the large public high schools that I was familiar with had their own shop equipment and teachers.
Not every kid wants to go to college, but they sure are steered that way. American society will pay the price for that short sightedness.
Hey Up North Joe -
Our score.org Chapter is starting to partner with trade schools in the area to offer them some business training in addition to their technical trade education. One thing we are noticing is that while the trade schools offer the technical training, they generally leave the “business” part out. Kind of crazy nowadays to not include some type of “Business 101” classes to these future business owners.
OTOH - I learned from a colleague that his son who has a very large commercial plumbing business has hired a teacher and is now offering classes to folks who want to become licensed plumbers. He cannot find qualified people to work at his business.
It’s a 5 year commitment to become a licensed plumber. As part of the agreement, he will buy each pupil the tools that they need and as long as they stay for 6 months, the tools are theirs to keep. He does not want them to get any business training as he fears that if they get some folks that are entrepreneurial, they will get their license and compete. ![]()
Interesting times!!
'38Packard
I don’t know how widespread that is, outside of Michigan. Here, it’s probably as much a part of the defunding of education as anything else. I shudder to think what the liability insurance costs for wood and metal shop classes costs.
I may have mentioned before, a coworker was asking around for driving school recommendations. Her spawn went to Livonia Public. I went blink “I had driver’s ed at Kalamazoo Public. Public schools don’t teach driver’s ed anymore?” I don’t know if it’s universal through the state, but that is certainly the case in Livonia, not even an elective. More education defunding to pay for “JC” tax cuts.
Steve
same here, I took drivers ed via the large public high school I went to, was taught in the summer before junior year, and was taught by a high school teacher making some extra bucks for a summer gig. It was no charge to the students. Complete the class, get a learner’s permit that allowed you to drive with adult supervision for a probationary period, and then if no accidents got a drivers license.
Drivers Ed has been privatized everywhere in Michigan that I’ve been.
There is a major shortage of trades people in general. Pluming, electrical, HVAC, etc. There are not nearly enough workers to fill projected demand.
That is awesome ! Nice that they are filling a need, same for the plumber entrepreneur you mentioned.
It is pretty much everywhere. Since the move to standardized testing, schools can only afford to teach classes that help students pass the test. Wood shop doesn’t qualify, and neither does driver’s ed.
A lot (at least some) schools are bringing back their wood & metals shops to teach robotics. They add a CAD class, 3D printers and sometimes CNC machines and they compete in the F.I.R.S.T. robotics competitions.
Mike
That points not just to a problem with education and job training. It points to a demographic problem as well. Simply put, we don’t have enough young people, period, to fill job demands going further. And this problem exists in most countries. Some far worse than others.
I’ll put another spin on this. When I graduated college in 1989, Comp Sci degree with a healthy does of EE (so that we knew how these processors that we were programmed actually worked), I hired into Texas Instruments. I had a training regimen that would last 12-18 moths and include rotations. Seven years later I move to Motorola, and they had a very similar system still (circa '96). Fast-forward, I’m at Oracle around 2013-2014, and we have two new college grads (master’s degrees) and my boss is complaining after 4 weeks that they are not yet contributing in a meaningful manner.
I won’t bore people again with my high school curriculum, but the fact that, the summer I graduated I was able to get a full-time summer job as a machinist and, a part-time job during the first year of college as a draftsman/graphic artist is an indication of the pragmatic use shop courses can be put to. (Years later, my familiarity with machine tools helped me build a bespoke CNC machine shop for the fun of it). And yes, the “trade” track potential was not lost on me and I got my Master Electrician license and moved from electrician to electrical contractor before getting my EE degree and Professional Engineer license.
The plethora of “shop” and hands-on technical courses that I took in high school (as well as a few in junior high school) not only gave me the direct tools which allowed me to immediately find work in a number of fields, but more importantly, provided a matrix of connected artificing skills which allowed me to have the confidence to take on almost any challenge that my customers could conger up and be certain that I could find a way to successfully go “where no man had gone before”. My successful completion of project after project that few of my competitors would attempt creates a reputation which allowed me to charge accordingly for my firm’s participation.
Jeff
As noted from time to time, many school systems no longer offer “shop” classes. Some don’t even offer driver’s ed, even as an elective. At least in Michigan, seems education has been defunded to the point where, if something is not required for some basic competency test, it isn’t taught, so the money can be diverted elsewhere.
Steve
I took auto shop in high school just for the fun of it. But I got most of my shop training at home with my dad. The main focus was cars. He was - and still is - a collector of old MGs. I was constantly helping him out in the garage with everything from routine maintenance to engine swaps. But we’d also tackle just about any job that needed doing around the house - painting, light carpentry, plumbing (which we both dislike but did anyway), roof repairs. He wasn’t fond of home electrical, but I didn’t mind it.
His background was as a helicopter mechanic in the army between WWII and Korea. Used the GI bill to get an engineering degree and spent his career in aerospace, doing the calculations to get rockets from the ground to the desired orbit.
I ended up slightly different professionally, with two degrees in business administration and a CPA. But I still work on my cars and home. Taking a break at the moment from a long-procrastinated drawer repair job.
Various shop classes (and what used to be called Home Economics - which I also took during a summer session in Jr High) are important parts of a basic education. Not everyone will pursue that path for a career, of course, but they are a bit like the arts - part of a well rounded education.
That we no longer routinely provide these courses is to the detriment of our larger society.
–Peter