Our Brave New Green World

… seems to be something of an economic disaster, a disaster akin to the economic chaos wrought by socialism. Curious that our ruling elites continue to shove it down our throats. Sooner or later people will put the pieces together and begin to realize that decarbonization equals dehumanization. The Brave New Green World that we’re being sold is nothing more than a well-funded and well-orchestrated scam.

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No. It’s not. What it is is a few decades too late. We’ve been warned about this, decades ago. The oil industry knew this, and we know they knew and that they misled us on purpose. And we are seeing the climate impact to the continued use of fossil fuels. And yes, now the migration is messy and not fully worked out. It did not have to be this way.

Well orchestrated scam? That is what the oil industry did to us in the 70’s - 90’s. You have this all completely backwards.

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decarbonization equals dehumanization

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More BS from the MAGA crowd who do not understand science and are afraid of change or paid lackeys of the fossil fuel industry.

Jaak

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… seems to be something of an economic disaster, a disaster akin to the economic chaos wrought by socialism. Curious that our ruling elites continue to shove it down our throats. Sooner or later people will put the pieces together and begin to realize that decarbonization equals dehumanization. The Brave New Green World that we’re being sold is nothing more than a well-funded and well-orchestrated scam.

Utter tripe.

AW

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… seems to be something of an economic disaster, a disaster akin to the economic chaos wrought by socialism. Curious that our ruling elites continue to shove it down our throats. Sooner or later people will put the pieces together and begin to realize that decarbonization equals dehumanization. The Brave New Green World that we’re being sold is nothing more than a well-funded and well-orchestrated scam.

These are words strung into sentences, but the mean nothing. Socialism, ruling elites, dehumanization, brave new world … blah blah blah. You’re signaling to the converted but you’re converting no one here with these empty signifiers.

These boards are populated with people who use concrete evidence and hard data every day to make life changing decisions about their wealth. Word clouding with propaganda isn’t likely to sway anyone.

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These boards are populated with people who use concrete evidence and hard data every day to make life changing decisions about their wealth. Word clouding with propaganda isn’t likely to sway anyone.

And some who do believe that Climate Alarmism is the latest meme to control the world. Just for one moment check out who is championing Climate Alarmism. Political restrictions prevent me from naming names.

Of course, none of the above is an impediment to profit from Climate Alarmism – ‘concrete evidence and hard data’ that Climate Alarmism has cooped giverment and adademia.

The Captain

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And some who do believe that Climate Alarmism is the latest meme to control the world. Just for one moment check out who is championing Climate Alarmism. Political restrictions prevent me from naming names.

Of course, none of the above is an impediment to profit from Climate Alarmism – ‘concrete evidence and hard data’ that Climate Alarmism has cooped giverment and adademia.

The Captain

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For the record Climate Change deniers give cover to the fossil fuels industry. The burning of fossil fuels is responsible for our Climate Change problems. Simple to understand science proves that as the CO2 concentration increases in the atmosphere, then the temperature of the atmosphere increases. The CO2 acts like the windows of a car - the sun rays can penetrate the glass but the glass does not let the heat escape.

Did you fail your physics and engineering classes on heat transfer?

Jaak

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Did you fail your physics and engineering classes on heat transfer?

I have never denied Climate Change. I have said on multiple occasions that life is terraforming, i.e. life changes the face of the earth.

Did you fail English Comprehension 101? LOL

Comprehension M
Comprehension is the understanding and interpretation of what is read. To be able to accurately understand written material, children need to be able to (1) decode what they read; (2) make connections between what they read and what they already know; and (3) think deeply about what they have read.

https://www.readingrockets.org/helping/target/comprehension

Now don’t go accusing me of not providing a link for your entertainmet & enlightenment. :innocent:

The Captain

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I have never denied Climate Change. I have said on multiple occasions that life is terraforming, i.e. life changes the face of the earth.

Did you fail English Comprehension 101? LOL

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LOL! So you deny Climate Change by calling it Climate Alarmism. And stating that life changes the face of the earth.

“Climate Alarmism is the latest meme to control the world. Just for one moment check out who is championing Climate Alarmism. Political restrictions prevent me from naming names.”

Your gobbledygook logic is BS - You are denying that fossil fuel burning cause increasing CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere and that causes the increasing temperatures on earth.

I do not fail English Comprehension, but you failed English language construction and meaning.

Jaak :innocent:

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Your gobbledygook logic is BS - You are denying that fossil fuel burning cause increasing CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere and that causes the increasing temperatures on earth.

I didn’t expect to reform the clergy. :wink:

The Captain

decarbonization equals dehumanization . . .

That sentence equals jibberish

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decarbonization equals dehumanization . . .

That sentence equals jibberish

Most if not all life forms on Earth are carbon based.

There is something magical about carbon!

The Captain

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Utter tripe.

That’s the norm from NL.

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A critical assessment of extreme events trends in times of global warming
Alimonti et al.
https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1140/epjp/s13360-02…
Abstract:
This article reviews recent bibliography on time series of some extreme weather events and related response indicators in order to understand whether an increase in intensity and/or frequency is detectable. The most robust global changes in climate extremes are found in yearly values of heatwaves (number of days, maximum duration and cumulated heat), while global trends in heatwave intensity are not significant.

Daily precipitation intensity and extreme precipitation frequency are stationary in the main part of the weather stations. Trend analysis of the time series of tropical cyclones show a substantial temporal invariance and the same is true for tornadoes in the USA. At the same time, the impact of warming on surface wind speed remains unclear.

The analysis is then extended to some global response indicators of extreme meteorological events, namely natural disasters, floods, droughts, ecosystem productivity and yields of the four main crops (maize, rice, soybean and wheat). None of these response indicators show a clear positive trend of extreme events.

In conclusion on the basis of observational data, the climate crisis that, according to many sources, we are experiencing today, is not evident yet. It would be nevertheless extremely important to define mitigation and adaptation strategies that take into account current trends.

DB2

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In conclusion on the basis of observational data, the climate crisis that, according to many sources, we are experiencing today, is not evident yet. It would be nevertheless extremely important to define mitigation and adaptation strategies that take into account current trends.

Translation:

“The data do not show global warming but lets act as if the Climate Crisis were real.”

The short version

“CYA!”

The Translator

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In conclusion on the basis of observational data, the climate crisis that, according to many sources, we are experiencing today, is not evident yet. It would be nevertheless extremely important to define mitigation and adaptation strategies that take into account current trends.

DB2

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This paper is based on 4 year old data.

Therefore, it does not include the catastrophic events of the last 4 years. Look at Pakistan floods, European rivers drying up, Western US fires and rivers drying up, China’s rivers drying up, so much more.

We know you want to down play Climate Change by selectively picking old information or biased information. You are the champion of more coal, oil and gas burning. But the scientists know more than you about Climate Change.

Jaak

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A critical assessment of extreme events trends in times of global warming
Alimonti et al.
https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1140/epjp/s13360-02…

This paper is a textbook example of cherry-picking. Consider the heat-wave intensity claim. Alimonti et al trumpet the claim

“global trends in heatwave intensity are not significant”

and Bob takes the bait. It’s always good to start with the IPCC. They are not infallible but they do represent years of work by thousands of people. The IPCC says

“It is virtually certain that hot extremes (including heatwaves) have become more frequent and more intense across most land regions since the 1950s”

Alimonti et al say they are doing a literature review but never mention this IPCC result, which comes from a much more comprehensive literature review. So where do Alimonti et al get their claim? They only include one reference and say the paper shows

“a significant increase in yearly values of heatwave days, maximum heatwave duration and cumulative heat, while the global heatwave intensity trends are not significant.”

Now one paper is hardly a literature review. And one aspect of a heat wave, it’s intensity, does not tell the whole story. This is cherry-picking at its finest. Alimonti et al, and Bob, and then the Captian, imply that concern about heat waves is unwarranted because there is no significant increase in “intensity.” This despite Alimonti et al saying there are significant increases in heatwave duration and cumulative heat.

What about that one paper Alimonti el al cite. Do those authors think heat wave trends are not important? Not at all. That paper says the reason heatwave intensity is not significantly increasing is due to the definition of “intensity”. They https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-16970-7 say

"By itself, this result is not entirely surprising since the heatwave definition used here is based on a fixed threshold (see “Methods”)…
However, measuring heatwave intensity in this manner does not address the fact that more heatwaves mean more overall exposure to extreme temperatures…
Indeed, other well-used measures of heatwave intensity such as the hottest heatwave day, which generally have more significant trends than average intensity …"

So, yeah, nothing to see here. If you want a literature review go to the IPCC, not some random paper that cherry-picks results to reach a pre-determined conclusion.

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Things aren’t always as straightforward as one might think. For example, I think most people have read something about low-lying islands in the Pacific that are threatened by sea level rise. You may have even seen the PR photograph last year of the Tuvalu foreign minister standing knee deep in water while giving a speech.
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/11/tuvalu-seeks-to-retain…

However, it seems that a majority of the islands are growing larger rather than sinking into the sea. Looking at Tuvalu, Kench et al. focused on 29 islands of the Funafuti Atoll, capital of Tuvalu just south of the equator near the dateline. It has seen a sea level rise over the past 60 years of some 30 cm (5.1 mm/yr). During this period no islands have been lost and the majority have increased in size, with a 7% increase in net area since 1897.
https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/geology/article-abstrac…

DB2