Palantir vs Snowflake

I came across this recent fool article that compared Palantir and Snowflake, and highlights Palantir as the better buy. https://www.fool.com/investing/2022/01/20/better-buy-palanti…

This is quite surprising to me because the perception is that Palantir is a meme stock and Snowflake is firing on all cylinders, knocked last earnings out of the park, and is in the process of creating a massive data marketplace.

I was expecting a superficial analysis that did a quick summary of their stories and then highlights Palantir as cheaper and therefore the better buy. However, I found some interesting points in the article.

The author’s argument includes the following points:

  • Palantir’s business model will scale well because it has a superior land and expand model. This can be seen in Palantir’s improving profitability metrics. Palantir is rapidly improving free cash flow from negative 278m in the first nine months of 2020 to positive 240m in the first nine months of 2021

-Snowflake grew RPO 94% YOY as of last quarter while Palantir grew RPO 170% YOY. This is the inverse of the topline growth story with Palantir growing revs 30% YOY and Snowflake growing revs 110% yoy. In the past, we have been told that RPO is the metric to look at for these data companies. So this is interesting to me.

-Valuation as well. Cheap is cheap for a reason, but the author contends that Palantir is cheaper than Snowflake AND is a better business.

I still prefer Snowflake because Snowflake seems to be gaining large enterprise customers, while Palantir seems to be selling itself to startups so that they can scale alongside the companies that it invests in.

Just something interesting to consider. I have personally moved away from a focused portfolio and now have more of a Rule Breakers portfolio (I call it “22 stocks for 2022”) and I have decided to refrain from selling any positions for five years - unless a business completely breaks down (think Luckin’ Coffee). I’ll see how it goes and as I follow without acting along the way, I may be ready for a focused portfolio once the next five year period begins. I still have a lot to learn. Both Palantir and Snowflake have a spot in the portfolio, though Palantir is a 2% position in 21st place while Snowflake is a 5.71% position in 3rd place.

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HI Bobby,

Remember that it need not be an either-or, SNOW vs. PLTR, face-off; Anyone can own both like you do! But rather than restrict the PLTR analysis to how it compares to SNOW, why not analyze PLTR in the context of a framework based on the knowledge base?

It’s been awhile since I’ve looked at PLTR… but a few things I’m just not sure of:

-It’s founder-led - it was a group IIRC but it included Thiel (still on the board) and Karp (CEO) so full marks there.

-But what else can you tell us about PLTR in January 2022?
Do… they have a moat? Most folks seem to think it’s a penchant for military and government grade applicants (which some also cite as their Achilles heel as their growth in Civilian customers has been growing but still lags the former).

-You mention RPO, but what about current to line growth rates and guidance from the company?
-Free cash flow metrics?
-Margins?

-You mention valuation… I know folks tend to ignore that here on Saul’s but I believe the paradigm should be shifting as we enter a new era (I’m a member of the camp that says it IS different this time with the end of QE, inflation rising, and an unprecedented, once-in-a-generation pandemic still raging). In that regard, have you looked at EV/Revenue over a range of quarters and for the next few quarters based on guidance?

I’m not challenging you - I think I’ll delve into some of these topics myself and limp the thread along with you if you like. But I know if it gets analyzed in this context, it has more utility to the other members and is more likely to get substantive contributions from the hive mind…

RWW

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MillennialFalcon’s Palantir Fly-by:

I’ll take a stab at some of PLTR’s metrics.

But first this is not investment advice or a recommendation to purchase any security. I am neither a financial planner nor broker. I have no expertise in technology, AI/ML, investing, or market sentiment. Shoot, I even had a “return” of -21% in 2021 and am working hard to beat those returns with a 2022 YTD of -29%. If you’re still reading this…

…I do own a beneficial long position in PLTR. I am, as jonwayne put it, “a regular guy”-- and my research (unlike jonwayne’s) is very regular and rudimentary at best.

At a glance:


Cash: $2.3B
Debt: $0
Revenue: Q3 $392M YoY growth of 36%
YTD Adjusted FCF: $320M vs -$285M (+$605M YoY)
Gross Margins: 78%
RPO: $874M +172%YoY

Total Customers: Q4'20  Q1'21  Q2'21  Q3'21
                  139    149    169    203
            QoQ:          7%    13%    20%

Commercial Customer Count increased **46% QoQ**

YTD Commercial Revenue Growth: 37%
YTD U.S. Commercial Rev. Growth: 103%
YTD Gov't Rev Growth: 34%

Long Term Guidance: 30%+ Revenue growth through 2025

Shares Outstanding: 1.964B (increase of 116% YoY)

In Summary:
Founder-led.
Debt-free.
$2.5B in cash.
Accelerating customer growth.
Gross Margins 78%
Significant FCF Improvement
Projected CAGR 4+ years 30%+

Is 30% annualized growth what we are looking for on this board? While I am long PLTR, I’m not sure I see acceleration, but rather “steady” growth-- and with revenue of $1.5B already, the law of large numbers makes hypergrowth unlikely in my eyes. I certainly don’t see 60% or 70% rev growth going forward. In other words-- I don’t think this one cuts the mustard (an expression that makes no sense, yet we all understand anyway)

SBC: The stock-based compensation has been significant and is one of the most scrutinized aspects of Palantir’s business I’ve seen-- although it did decrease last quarter to the lowest since IPO at the end of Q3 2020.

Palantir provides valuable, mission-critical services to the most well-equipped and highly resourced entities in the world (supposedly Palantir helped find Osama Bin Laden).

Karp mentioned in an interview that the layperson wouldn’t even be able to understand 1/3 of what Palantir can actually do-- whether that is supposed to be a good thing or not, I’m not entirely sure-- but after spending quite a bit of time on the website and reading about their products-- I think 1/3 might be down-playing it.

I’m working on a google spreadsheet and will try to keep filling in some of the blanks-- feel free to take a peek for a few more metrics-

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14Nyg_dcHwC9f3PuaK2t2…

I hope this fly-by is helpful to someone within the community. Please feel free to direct message me to leave more space on the forum for UPST posts.

Punch it Chewy!

MillennialFalcon’s Position:

I like Palantir’s mission and growth. While a CAGR of 30% is likely, I think share price appreciation has much higher to go based on deceleration of share dilution and current poor market sentiment. I have a full position at 13.6% and am considering Jan 2023 $15 strike call options in my taxable account.

Palantir:PLTR market cap: $27.11B Rev Growth: 36% YoY Gross Margin 78% https://investors.palantir.com/financials/quarterly-results

My Previous Notes:
“Palantir Technologies Inc. builds and deploys software platforms for the intelligence community in the United States to assist in counterterrorism investigations and operations. The company provides Palantir Gotham, a software platform for government operatives in the defense and intelligence sectors, which enables users to identify patterns hidden deep within datasets, ranging from signals intelligence sources to reports from confidential informants, as well as facilitates the handoff between analysts and operational users, helping operators plan and execute real-world responses to threats that have been identified within the platform. It also offers Palantir Foundry, a platform that transforms the ways organizations operate by creating a central operating system for their data; and allows individual users to integrate and analyze the data they need in one place. Palantir Technologies Inc. was founded in 2003 and is headquartered in Denver, Colorado.”

PLTR is a software / AI company with heavy government exposure—They recently went public and are expanding into the commercial / enterprise world— I look at PLTR as a leading AI and software company trusted by the most powerful entity in the world (U.S Government) with nearly two decades of R&D and Innovation to create the leading technology funded by the U.S government, which is now available to the commercial market. I believe there is a massive runway for growth as highlighted by the recent commercial expansion listed below. PLTR is founder-led with nearly $2.5B in cash and zero debt.

Q3 2021 Highlights
Total revenue grew 36% year-over-year to $392 million
Added 34 net new customers in Q3
Commercial customer count grew 46% quarter-over-quarter
US commercial revenue grew 103% year-over-year
Cash flow from operations of $101 million, representing a 26% margin
Adjusted free cash flow of $119 million, representing a 30% margin
Closed 54 deals of $1 million or more, of which:
33 deals are $5 million or more
18 deals are $10 million or more
Total remaining deal value grew 50% year-over-year to $3.6 billion
GAAP net loss per share, diluted of $(0.05)
Adjusted earnings per share, diluted of $0.04
Q1-Q3 2021 Highlights
Total revenue grew 44% year-over-year to $1.1 billion
Commercial customer count increased 135% since December 31, 2020
Cash flow from operations of $240 million, representing a 22% margin
Adjusted free cash flow of $320 million, representing a 29% margin
Will be watching PLTR’s dilution very closely as this is a major concern at over 100% TTM-

PLTR guides for “30% or better” revenue growth through 2025 at least. I’ll be watching customer acquisitions and execution closely-- PLTR has a knack for nabbing massive contracts (over $1M / yr) and with a recent partnership in South Korea, consistent with PLTR’s mission to partner with the U.S gov’t and its allies-- PLTR and the space it operates in is intriguing to me.

Some risks–
share dilution.
Massive contracts (losing one big contract is costly)
Growing competition in the space.
Revenues of over $1.5B already-- I’m not sure how long they will be able to grow or accelerate that as the law of large numbers comes into play.

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Hi all together,
for me there are two important things holding me back when thinking about investing in Palantir (besides dilution).

  • scalability
  • understanding of the product

As I heard about Palantir the first time I was very curious to find out what their actual products are. Im not a software guy or have any programming skills above average - so maybe i just don’t get it ;). But im kind of a technical generalist, you could say - so I was confident in figuring it out. I read a few so called ‘deep dives’ and as I digged deeper the more I was confused. Thats very rarely happening when I’m researching a company in that space. To this day I couldn’t find anything or anybody who was able explaining to me what they actually do. There is always big words about this mysterious and super secret AI - but I want to understand the product as an investor, at least rudimentarily - I just don’t in Palantirs case. Of course I know it’s data analytics and they can analyse unstructured data to show trends and anomalies. But what’s it exactly that makes Palantir so special?

Second is scalability. The integration of Palantirs products into companies or government systems seem to involve a long process of planning and takes a long time. It’s quite the opposite of a Out-of-the-box solution like Datadog… So I’m very skeptical they could ramp up their sales in a way I would like to see. They were founded in 2004 - for me this supports the thesis of limited scalability. If they have products so outstanding and scalability is not an issue - why is this not reflected in their numbers?

For me there are many better investment opportunities out there - which I understand much better and also with higher growth rates. Maybe you could enlighten me which specific problems Palantir can solve others cant?

Best regards from Germany (apologies for my not so smooth english :*)
Hannes

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Karp mentioned in an interview that the layperson wouldn’t even be able to understand 1/3 of what Palantir can actually do-- whether that is supposed to be a good thing or not, I’m not entirely sure-- but after spending quite a bit of time on the website and reading about their products-- I think 1/3 might be down-playing it.

The following video does a good job of explaining what they do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgj6FYghPh8

I am also confused with what Palantir does.
I am an expert in the area that Palantir supposedly operates in. I run analytics and ai/ml team in large org and am a cloud architect.

My limited understanding of their product is this: They have built a ground up highly scalable and customizable suite of modularized product that combines the following

a) ETL tool like Informatica to collect and parse large data
b) Data governance and collaboration tools
c) Persistence layer (at edge and central) to aggregate data (custom mini Snowflake)
d) AI/ML layer for decision making
e) visualization portal / tool like Power BI / Tableau
f) SDK/API with ability to integrate in transactional workflows

Each of the areas (a - f) above is specialized fields with multiple players specializing deep in each area with significant capital allocation.
I would have thought that they bit a lot more than they could chew but they have done it. Palantir’s model is like Apple (home grown vertical integration product suite).

As data and tools for complex organizations get segregated (SaaS, Databases, Audio, Video, Social Media), management is trying to get a 360 degree view to solve complex problems like potential terrorist attack.

Following is my understanding of their business

  • It is very sticky product, once they are in, they are in
  • It is modularized. They upsell incremental modules to existing customers easily.
  • It is easy to sell to management. The business case for ROI is easy as they have NO competition (unless you allocate service budget and use the tools I mentioned earlier)
  • They don’t own the data, just provide the software and have a recurring revenue from support (maybe service ?)
  • They are a high margin business
  • They have a wide moat
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Hi dividends20,

thank you very much for your reply. I think their approach is quite interesting - since you compare Palantirs product suite to apple:

  • isn’t one of apple’s important competitive advantages their ability to create products with very
    intuitive “Look-and-feel”? Which don’t need much of an explanation - just unpack and have fun…?

If this was the case with Palantirs product suite too, I would see an amazing opportunity and huge adressable market. But it seems it’s more of the opposite - i have read multiple articles about the complexity of the integration into a companies system. They even send teams to evaluate the specific needs of interested companies and adjust their software in that process + train employees in using the software they provide. Needless to say this is also very costly and only interesting for really big players. This is also reflected in the numbers - very few but big clients for a company existing for roughly 18 years.

Maybe I’m completely wrong with my assesment - could be just a little over my head. You wrote:

- It is very sticky product, once they are in, they are in
- It is modularized. They upsell incremental modules to existing customers easily.
- It is easy to sell to management. The business case for ROI is easy as they have NO competition (unless you allocate service budget and use the tools I mentioned earlier)
- They don’t own the data, just provide the software and have a recurring revenue from support (maybe service ?)
- They are a high margin business
- They have a wide moat

That’s sounds like a dream company to me. That’s what I ment with “it sounds amazing” - but I just can’t see it in their quarterly reports. If this changes I would be happy to change my mind.
All the best and thank you again for enlighten me a bit ;).

Hannes

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Hannes,

You mentioned it is a very long and laborious process to integrate Palantir, I was wondering why you felt this way? Without having actually used Palantir’s products I’m limited to my sources of information but their website indicates quite the opposite:

“ Foundry Software-Defined Data Integration enables you to automatically build data pipelines from your systems in hours and days – not months. It automates away the expensive, manual work of the past to build a semantic layer in hours, without having to write a single line of new code.”

“Hours and days”
“Without having to write a single line of code.”

I do like companies I can understand, though in the knowledgebase Saul mentions several times how he doesn’t need to understand exactly what a company does, but essentially the service and why it is important. (I think this was an on-going discussion regarding SNOW for some time)

So what service does Palantir provide— My summation would be Data analytics with AI / ML driven decision making.

Now that is an incredibly broad definition, so here are some of the applications Palantir has used it for.

Energy: “Our partners use Foundry to get more out of the data they already have. The platform enables them to integrate billions of rows of data from remote sensors and apply this data to drive up the efficiency of assets, from offshore oil to onshore wind.
Finally, Foundry allows them to represent their operations in a high-fidelity digital twin, connecting data and models to see the implications of decisions in real time.” Creating more efficient, and cleaner energy.

Anti-Money Laundering

Healthcare R&D: simulation, predictive analysis, and tracking / data analysis (including Vaccine rollouts and Pandemic tracking)

Retail Use: Near-instant visibility to discover demand, inventory, operational efficiencies, recommending pricing changes.

Simulation: “As priorities evolve, business leaders can continuously define the criteria they want to optimize – such as production, profitability, or cost savings – and run simulations to determine what changes best achieve that state.”

AI+ML and Edge AI to create actionable information and enhanced decision making based on data point and sensors-- predictive risk analysis, maintenance, etc.

Supply Chain: efficiency tracking, platform connection, simulation and digital twin creation to identify bottlenecks, fragility and opportunities for optimization.

Obviously Palantir’s expansion into the commercial markets is new and growing, but the software and operational effectiveness is not.

commercial revenue growth over the past four quarters starting with Q4 2020:
4%
19%
28%
37%

Also, Palantir tracks average revenue per top 20 customer-- at the end of Q3 21 it was $41M compared to $31M for Q3 20. Not only are their customers accelerating, even for a company with massive gov’t contracts, their top customer revenue has increased 32$ YoY-- on very large contracts.

I guess as a layperson, when I can’t fully understand a product, I look to see what the people are doing who are paying for the product-- In short, they aren’t walking away from it, but are investing more in it each year.

I hope this sheds a little more light as to where Palantir is integrated up to this point.

Best

MillennialFalcon

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If this was the case with Palantirs product suite too, I would see an amazing opportunity and huge adressable market. But it seems it’s more of the opposite - i have read multiple articles about the complexity of the integration into a companies system. They even send teams to evaluate the specific needs of interested companies and adjust their software in that process + train employees in using the software they provide. Needless to say this is also very costly and only interesting for really big players. This is also reflected in the numbers - very few but big clients for a company existing for roughly 18 years.

The problems they solve are inherently large and complex.
I have implemented many of these projects.
These projects are rife with intra company politics, lack of governance, dirty data, missing experts, unclear specs, massive integration problems, dispersed data etc..
As a result they are always delayed, massive scope creep that impact budget and time and in many instances are abandoned midstream (reorgs).

My read on this is Palantir simplifies putting together an end to end solution greatly but it does not make it plug and play out of the box.

It would be great to side by side analysis of without Palantir and with Palantir on metrics such as “time taken, quality, feasibility, scalability, future support and extensibility”. I don’t think this exists.

The following is an easy read from their website.

https://www.palantir.com/impact/

Note: I don’t own Palantir shares but intrigued as valuation has come down. I like the CEO. He is brilliant but eccentric.

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Thank you for your first hand experience Dividends, that’s very helpful.
Maybe I have generalized a bit too much.

I think we have to differentiate between the Palantir/Gotham Full-Stack which was created mainly for government purposes. This product relies very much on strong relationships with their clients, upselling, follow up services and custom adjustments. This also has it’s advantages, but this is very hard to do in the crowded commercial space with many competitors (snowflake, kafka, C3, tableau…).

Quote from Palantir:
“One of the things that makes Gotham so unique is the level of partnership we have with our customers. We are not technologists in a lab in Silicon Valley — we are engineers on the ground, in the battlefield, at the operations centers… Real collaboration with our partners is what pushes the Gotham product forward.”

Key of that are so called “forward deployed engineers” to build customized solutions in collaboration with the client which takes time. This ensures deep relationships with Palantirs government customers and is very different from the traditional Saas business.

To compete in the commercial space they invented Foundry - a much simpler and modular approach to have better scaling ability. So the clients can choose to only have one of the different solutions they provide (analytics, visualization, infrastructure…) + without that much customization as Gotham needs. And thats exactly where I’m skeptical of the outcome.
→ As we evaluated above, their competitive edge (what makes them special) is they have invented a complete suite which gives 360 degree view to the customer. And building deep relationships, with customized software and services. As a result it’s very unlikely or almost impossible for a client to switch to another product. This advantage is not there anymore with Foundry. That’s why I think scalability is an issue - it takes away a lot of the things dividends mentioned, their moat is also what hinders scalability in my opinion.

Just wanted to express my thoughts a bit longer, this was my first post as a contributor and I wasn’t expecting such profound headwind - love it :*. Have a nice evening you all.

Hannes

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Hi Dividends20,

I retired from the Data Warehousing / Analytics and “Big Data” world working for Fortune 200 companies.

I can completely relate to this:

These projects are rife with intra company politics, lack of governance, dirty data, missing experts, unclear specs, massive integration problems, dispersed data etc…
As a result they are always delayed, massive scope creep that impact budget and time and in many instances are abandoned midstream (reorgs).

That is my experience as well. These tools and technologies provide tremendous capabilities across an organization - as long as the organization is willing to not only invest the funding into the tech, but also the organizational, process, and “data stewardship” changes that need to be implemented for success as well.

Many organizations don’t have the stomach to be able to do all that is required to obtain all of the benefits that well-implemented analytics offers.

I recall a software sales team from IBM came to me wanting to demonstrate their “plug and play” data warehouse / analytics “built specifically for retail” - you won’t have to write a single line of code to implement our “off the shelf” data warehouse, ETL and Analytics “dashboards”. The solution was so “elementary” that we thought it had little value to our organization.

Another thing to seriously consider when installing any Analytics solution → It’s tough to pull the “analytics” away from the Excel jockeys that are spread throughout the organization - almost every corner of it nowadays.

'38Packard

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Hey everyone,

I’m the ticker guide for Palantir and would like to offer my opinion on a few points made here.

I’ll start off with the news cycle bear points then go into some comments I see regularly about Palantir that I think aren’t correct and offer a viewpoint on how to think about Palantir.

bear point #1: Valuation. Well given the sell off this thesis is getting quite weaker compared to what it was just a few months ago. However, many comparisons I see from Palantir to other companies and valuations tended to be very skewed. Palantir is technically profitable if you excuse SBC and their expenditures are very well aligned with their product roadmap. Is valuation still high? Sure. But compared to whom or what metric?
You’d be wrong comparing Palantir to a SaaS company. Palantir is NOT a SaaS type company. They are a platform and are more akin to a baby box shape sorter for data. (Platform/Infrastructure as a Service).

bear point #2: Stock based compensation. This was addressed almost a year ago from the earnings call. It outlined that Alex Karp will be exercising expiring options and be selling a healthy amount.

And the lack of research from many that make the SBC case is astounding because no one has dug into the S-1.

On page F-42

Palantir Technologies Inc.

Notes to Consolidated Financial Statements (continued)

(information as of June 30, 2020 and for the six months ended June 30, 2019 and 2020 is unaudited)

During the six months ended June 30, 2020, the Company sold a total of 118,220,954 shares of its Class A common stock at a price of $4.65 per share, for aggregate proceeds of $537.8 million, net of issuance costs of $11.9 million. Included in these sales were 19,354,838 common shares sold to SOMPO, a partner investor in the Company’s equity method investee, Palantir Japan.

On May 28, 2020, the Company’s Board of Directors approved an amendment to the Amended and Restated Certificate of Incorporation to increase the number of authorized shares of Class A common stock and total shares authorized to be issued by 65,000,000 shares. The amendment was effective as of June 5, 2020. On June 14, 2020, the Board of Directors approved an additional amendment to increase the number of authorized shares of Class A common stock and total shares authorized to be issued by an additional 86,000,000 shares, for a total of 2,351,000,000 shares of Class A common stock authorized to be issued. The amendment was effective as of June 22, 2020.

The following represented the total authorized, issued, and outstanding shares for each class of common stock:

As of DEC 31, 2019 As of June 30, 2020
Class A:
Authorized 2,200,000,000 2,351,000,000
issued: 315,615,753 441,008,749
outstanding: 309,223,182 441,008,749

Class B:
authorized: 1,800,000,000 1,800,000,000
issued: 272,273,934 295,625,852
outstanding: 272,273,934 295,625,852

In summary, if we are to believe management, which they have addressed since their first earnings call, the selling should stop. They also issued more RSUs that are vested in 2030 I believe. But as of last Q, the selling has gone down significantly.

Regarding Gotham:

I did write a post about my breakdown of the recent Reagan cybersecurity conference here: https://medium.com/@ghengisahn/my-review-of-the-reagan-cyber…

It was also shared on the premium side of the boards.

Regarding “Scalability & understanding of the product”
-I think the best metaphor I can use is the childrens shape sorting toy box. Palantir’s Gotham and Foundry is the platform play where they organize data from many different systems and allow them to mesh together. The go into very good detail in their Palantir blogs and some key word searches you can do is Software Defined Data Integration (SDDI).

https://www.palantir.com/sddi/

The BLUF is that whether you’re on legacy systems and new systems, across different platforms and software’s, if you allow Palantir to get integrated into your systems they can make them all mesh together on a single view.
The other advantage is giving the average worker the ability to perform developer like tasks by harnessing intuitive low and no code UIs.

I bring this up because their Forward Deployed Engineers (FDEs) play an extremely critical role. Here I think people also get confused about Palantir being a consulting company. I don’t think that’s the correct thought process. I again refer back to their S1, where there goal is to:

  • Orchestrate, Don’t Replace. Our customers already have many of the tools they need to keep their institutions running. These tools, however, are limited to the essentials required for daily operations instead of helping our customers differentiate themselves from their competitors. Rather than replace these tools, our software serves as a substrate, binding an enterprise’s IT landscape together. By orchestrating and augmenting the operations of packaged and bespoke technologies, our software maximizes their value.

-I am trying to remember where I saw this statement, but essentially the role of the Forward deployed Engineer is to be “in the trenches” with the ground worker, see what problems need solving and integrate that customized solution. The people focused on their work aren’t developers, aren’t software engineers but need their capabilities to accelerate their work and make it scalable.
The FDE’s also have to back brief to Palantir what was done and how, and that turns into a knowledge module for use again. Here is a quote from an FDE, " Around the time I started my job search, I heard about Palantir from a friend. Honestly, it couldn’t have been a better match. The company, itself impressive, was doing exciting work with real impact across various industries. But the icing on the cake for me was the Forward Deployed Software Engineer role. A position where I could build right next to the customer, build for more than one customer, and apply myself in areas outside core software development?

I bring this up because it’s important to know why they can’t have that SaaS like approach and their sales cycle is long, the lift is very hard and the costs are taken on by Palantir to the point where they don’t realize positive income until they expand.
This isn’t giving someone microsoft word to work on their mac; they are making all data inputs/outputs mesh together and make it actionable across the force.

The key word to understand an implement is Disparate. I have a unique job, but I am pretty sure that bad communication and organization exists across every sector and industry. The Palantir play is to be agnotic across the region and make all data orchestrated and actional up and down the chain as well as across the industry.

“Focusing on Customer Outcomes
Deltas are first and foremost focused on customer outcomes, an aspect that appealed to me as a prospective employee as did Palantir’s wide array of customers and penchant for solving complex problems. Initially, I expected a ‘customer outcome focus’ would translate to building all kinds of cool solutions for all the cool companies in the world. While it’s true we do cool things, the real impact comes from putting the customer first, not the technology. Keeping that prioritization clear has helped me shift my focus from technical contributions to business outcomes.”

(Source for the above: https://blog.palantir.com/who-wants-to-be-a-delta-8d2ea94803…)

So how does Palantir scale? By merging the top and the bottom.

I will point to two well known use cases but two misunderstood: Airbus & NCATS by NIH, rather what happened without Palantir.

Microsoft & Boeing try to make a digital aviation platform: https://news.microsoft.com/transform/boeing-and-microsoft-ta…

fast forward to 2021, not much improvement, in fact we know what happened with Boeings scandals: https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/amazon-microsoft-…

Palantir and Airbus meanwhile rolled out Skywise.

2017: https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2017-06-ai…

2021: https://www.aerospacetechreview.com/number-crunching-predict…

Big improvement and many are flocking over to Skywise. They created a platform for big data in the aerospace industry.

NCATS is even more interesting to me, given silly things like HIPAA and how nail pulling excruciating it is when it comes to anything close to healthcare and data. But for those that don’t know, NCATS is a program under NIH which single handedly organized the globes COVID-19 data, across disparate systems, languages & products, harmonized them using Foundry, then pushed that data back out to the field for use. The cycle kept repeating, even tracking down vaccine shots.

NCATS could never had pulled this off, nor did I see any of the other tech titans pull anything remotely close to this, during a global pandemic when businesses were shuttered in.

Another point regarding scale, their SPAC investments, foundry for builders and everything else their plowing their income back into, isn’t just blind spac investing. They’re literally using startups as their next phase for live R&D . When I look at how Palantir structures their FDEs and what their first principles are as outlined in their S1, it’s pretty clear to me how they got to where they are at now and why they can offer foundry at even a faster pace than just a few years ago.

Gotham R&D led to Foundry. Foundry R&D led to building block solutions that allows faster integration. And it doesn’t matter if they’re working with older companies with legacy systems or nimble startups that need a platform to scale their hypergrowth into; Palantir’s platform can cover it. It totally makes sense why they have to have FDEs go out and be with their clients to provide client specific solutions. It’s not just about that specific client; it’s about figuring out what the problem is, addressing it, making it a knowledge node then have it as an SDDI.
SaaS plays at the lower hanging fruit, the immediate use case.
Platforms build forward looking.

Last point regarding scale: Apollo is their IaaS play. 5G and the ability to gather more sensor data at the point of incident is going to strengthen Palantir’s offerings.

Detailed reading on Apollo: https://blog.palantir.com/palantir-apollo-powering-saas-wher…

"Today, Apollo brings the same SaaS-style management to all of our platforms. It runs nearly everywhere that our software is deployed — cloud, on-prem, and classified networks — and has transformed the way that our software scales. Apollo orchestrates updates across heterogeneous deployment targets, unlocking fleet-wide autonomous management that has been a step-change in the efficiency of our operations.

Palantir’s Apollo is where I think could have clashes with Snowflake. But snowflake is designed to have their customers use data because they run the meter. Clients have already had to buy more data from Snowflake.

I think another way to compare other big data companies to Palantir is how focused is the products on valuing customers time and data usage. Does snowflake purposefully make customers data usage intuitive, faster, meaningful even if it cuts into customer use of snowflake and thus help save on data spend?.

Other than that, I don’t really compare Palantir to much other companies. I am really intrigued with the way they are harmonizing data at a level that moves across companies (if the tentpole company allows others to come onto the platform via agreement) and industries.

Very Foolishly,

CMFghengisahn
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Hi CMFghengisahn,

To your bolded question:
Does snowflake purposefully make customers data usage intuitive, faster, meaningful even if it cuts into customer use of snowflake and thus help save on data spend?

Snowflake has mentioned several times that they continuously make performance improvements to their platform in order to save customers money on their consumption. Here’s a tweet from Muji regarding performance improvements they announced at their Data Cloud Summit in 2020:

https://twitter.com/hhhypergrowth/status/1364109719133118465…

Bnh

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