So Saul, why did you sell Tesla?

I don’t hold stocks forever. I sell when I need the money, the underlying story has changed or, to rebalance when a stock has totally unbalanced my portfolio. For me that is somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 - 15% depending on how adventurous I’m feeling… It is not nearly as much fun as trading but for me it has been more profitable.

Alan, I could have written this myself. That is exactly how I feel, with the exception that I have a fourth time that I may sell some or all of a stock, when I think the price has gotten way out of hand.

Saul

Saul:

Doubling down, like everything else in investing, requires discipline. I’ll average down once or twice but not more and not in every case. For example, my timing with PFIE was terrible, the stock is down a lot, but it is not now a double-down candidate because the force driving it down, dropping oil price hysteria, is still in place.

Every so often the “buy and hold is dead” mantra shows up, usually after a fall of the market. Buy and hold is wonderful in rising markets and the right kind of stock can survive the poor markets. 40 years of 3M

http://invest.kleinnet.com/bmw1/stats40/MMM.html

Buy and hold requires robust companies. Just today MonsterFluff was commenting on the robustness of pipelines. Oil prices can go up or down, supply can go up or down, but consumption does not change much and the oil and gas have to be pumped.

Denny Schlesinger

It finally passed that 1999 peak for good in late 2009.

I sure hope it is “for good” - being long Amazon - but of course that is not knowable. :sunglasses:

The best reason I can think of for why this works has to do with company culture and leadership. These are A+ cultures run by A+ leaders. Think back to your school days. Were the students that scored straight C’s “due” for an A or a B? Were the straight A students more or less likely to keep doing well?

If there was any correlation between the quality of a company or management and its short-term stock price moves, this might make sense. But there isn’t.

A very recent example is Apple. Apple is the same company today that it was a couple years ago. But in between that period, its stock price was halved. Same quality business, crazy stock pricing.

BOFI nearly got cut in half between March and October. So is it a “C” company now? Or maybe a B- since it’s recovered a little bit? Was it an “A” back in March when it hit its local peak?

And you can flip it around, too. Take AIG. After its restructuring, it was hard to argue it was any better than a “C” company (I think most would still consider it that), but it was priced like an “F”. Both MF Pro and Inside Value have done very well with it as the market has slowly priced it closer to “mediocre” than “terrible”.

During the financial crisis, did every company suddenly become an “F”?

Short term market movements are more or less random (both up and down). We like to look for explanations, but it’s futile. We hear all the time Graham’s saying that in the short run, the market is a voting machine but in the long run, it is a weighing machine. But it’s so true! We just forget it when prices are going up and we assume it’s our thesis playing out, and proof that we’ve made a great investment. We give ourselves that pat on the back. And then we’re surprised when prices go down. There must be something wrong with this company, we assume. And there might be, of course – there’s a reason we don’t invest 100% of our capital in a single company – but usually we just need to give things more time and let the signal emerge from the noise.

Last night I watched some show on Netflix where they renovate rental properties. These landlords were thrilled to put up many tens of thousands of dollars in investment with a 5 year payback period based on the rental income they expected to receive. And yet here in the stock market, everyone wants profit today. Folks actively deride the idea of locking up an investment for 5 years. People obsess over daily stock movements and the results of a single quarter (that’s 3 months, folks!).

For must of us, the way to compound our wealth over time is to buy quality companies at reasonable prices, and then ignore all the craziness markets throw at us. 5 years is a blip, both in life and in the world of business. If we genuinely fear holding a company for that long, then I think it’s time to take a closer look at our standards of quality.

Neil

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Saul:

Do you have a link for the How not to write a TSLA short article? It was very good. I have a similar problem with most short articles on TSLA - they mostly just fabricate stuff, when there’s no need. Tesla has to prove a lot just to justify it’s present market cap.

I posted a link to your post over on the RB Tesla board in response to a thread by dumaflotchie:

http://discussion.fool.com/1069/duma-i-also-meant-to-mention-in-…

There I said:

I have about 5% of my port in TSLA, planning to hold for at least 5 - 10 years. Meanwhile it has been a wonderful stock for options trades. Sell puts when it drops too far, sell calls when it runs up too far. If it stays rangebound in the $200 - $300 range for a few years that’s fine with me.

I know you don’t use options Saul, and I’m by no means arguing that anyone should buy TSLA at this price level - it’s one of the few stocks that has ever been put on hold for valuation concerns in SA. You have to really believe in the long term story to be investing in it right now, and be willing to live with the volatility, or benefit from it using options. We won’t know for 5 or 10 years whether it was a good investment at this price. I’m comfortable with it.

John

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Do you have a link for the How not to write a TSLA short article? It was very good.

Hi John, I no longer had a link to it, so I just googled it for you and the article and the link came right up. Here it is: http://seekingalpha.com/article/2280323-how-not-to-write-a-t…

Amazing what you can find on Google in a second or two.

By the way, we tend to scorn Seeking Alpha here on the Fool because of all the bad short articles, but there are a lot of good informative articles mixed in. It’s free and if you list a group of stocks you want to follow in a “portfolio” and ask for “alerts”, you can get any article relating to one of your stocks as it is released to the general public. You can also request the “Pre-Market Summary on Your Portfolio” with press releases by your companies, news about them, and new articles about them. Also you can request Wall Street Breakfast with general economic and business news, all for the grand price of…zero dollars.

Saul

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